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Old 04-08-2008
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Re: Five teenagers mount armed attack on high school

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Have you ever been to the south? Washington DC is certainly not a southern city. The mason dixon line is not the border of the southern culture you are referring to, that is North Carolina and maybe some parts of southern Virginia.
Here come the southern apologists trying to make excuses for the regions violent, barbaric, and otherwise uncivilised behavior.

Anyways if a person wants to get and use a gun they'll find a way. These kids were just trying to get attention.
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Have you ever been to the south? Washington DC is certainly not a southern city. The mason dixon line is not the border of the southern culture you are referring to, that is North Carolina and maybe some parts of southern Virginia.
The population of Washington DC is mostly black, the descendants of slaves who were inculcated with the southern culture.
Detroit is in the north, but the vast majority of the population migrated there from the south.

Southern culture is based on a Scottish herding culture, herders deal out justice immediately because there is no one else to call. Northern culture is based on an English farming culture, farmers depend on the community for defense. Southern culture was further dehumanized by the institution of slavery, where barbaric means were used to force blacks to comply with their masters wishes.
Even in northern cities with easy access to guns, the murder rate is very low.
In Bangor ME it's 1.4 per 100,000.

Check out the link I posted to the top 100 cities for murder in the US, they are southern cities, or northern cities with large populations of recent southern immigrants.
Even NYC's murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000 would be substantially lower without Harlem, an area populated by people with a southern culture.
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The population of Washington DC is mostly black, the descendants of slaves who were inculcated with the southern culture.
Detroit is in the north, but the vast majority of the population migrated there from the south.

Southern culture is based on a Scottish herding culture, herders deal out justice immediately because there is no one else to call. Northern culture is based on an English farming culture, farmers depend on the community for defense. Southern culture was further dehumanized by the institution of slavery, where barbaric means were used to force blacks to comply with their masters wishes.
Even in northern cities with easy access to guns, the murder rate is very low.
In Bangor ME it's 1.4 per 100,000.

Check out the link I posted to the top 100 cities for murder in the US, they are southern cities, or northern cities with large populations of recent southern immigrants.
Even NYC's murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000 would be substantially lower without Harlem, an area populated by people with a southern culture.
I'm not talking about murder rates, I'm simply talking about the southern vs northern culture that you are referring to. DC is filled with many impoverished individuals, but it is not a southern city in the sense that you are referring to.
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Re: Five teenagers mount armed attack on high school

*bang bang*

So much for the "culture of life"....
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Because the guns are still there?
Yep, and they're all in the hands of criminals.
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*bang bang*

So much for the "culture of life"....
Life is mich more secure in a society where law-abiding citizens are allowed to defend themselves and their loved ones.
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Yep, and they're all in the hands of criminals.
All of them?
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The murder rate in Memphis is 20.2 per 100,000
The murder rate in Dallas is 16.4 per 100,000
The murder rate in Chicago is 15.6 per 100,000

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934323.html

And if you are looking for a city in a state with really restrictive gun laws
The murder rate in New York City is 4.6 per 100,000

Murder is a cultural thing, there are two basic cultures in the US, the northern culture, and the southern culture, the southern culture is more violent, more confrontational, and has a much higher murder rate.
The areas in the north with high murder rates are those which experienced large migrations from the south.

Washington DC is a southern city, with easy access to firearms just outside the city limits, and a high poverty rate, sort of a trifecta.
The murder rate in Washinton DC is 46.4 per 100,000
The murder rate in Arlington, VA is 2.1 per 100,000

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A drastic figure, considering that DC has the strictest gun laws in the country, and Arlington (just across the pond from DC) and the rest of Virginia is awash in guns.
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All of them?
Pretty much, the only guns than can be legally posessed in Chicago or DC are hunting rifles that must be unloaded and locked up. Any other firearm is in the hands of a criminal who is breaking the law.
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What a different outcome when there is no gun proliferation. How much worse would this have been if all of them had easy access to guns? “Three people suffered minor injuries”.
It really speaks for itself.
That God that these little idiots weren't seriously bent on causing death and destruction. Using readily available materials, they could have killed and maimed a great many.

Everyone was fortunate that they weren't really serious. Frankly, claiming that the outcome as so good just because of a lack of firearms is a fool's comfort.

Consider, just as a for instance, the damage they could have done with a few bottles of petrol and some rags.

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Re: Five teenagers mount armed attack on high school

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The murder rate in Memphis is 20.2 per 100,000
The murder rate in Dallas is 16.4 per 100,000
The murder rate in Chicago is 15.6 per 100,000

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934323.html

And if you are looking for a city in a state with really restrictive gun laws
The murder rate in New York City is 4.6 per 100,000

Murder is a cultural thing, there are two basic cultures in the US, the northern culture, and the southern culture, the southern culture is more violent, more confrontational, and has a much higher murder rate.
The areas in the north with high murder rates are those which experienced large migrations from the south.

Washington DC is a southern city, with easy access to firearms just outside the city limits, and a high poverty rate, sort of a trifecta.
That's a hard argument to follow....northern cities with high murder rates are from large migrations from the south....but northern migrations to the south don't experience lower murder rates.
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Any other firearm is in the hands of a criminal who is breaking the law.
Don't be ridiculous. In Chicago there are just as many guns in the hands of police officers who are breaking the law.
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Re: Five teenagers mount armed attack on high school

With some experience with a machete (really useful farm tool), it's nice to see that the one wielding it was incompetent.
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That's a hard argument to follow....northern cities with high murder rates are from large migrations from the south....but northern migrations to the south don't experience lower murder rates.
Before I consider this I'd like the raw numbers as to how many southerners are migrating to Chicago and New York, and a list of gun crime statistics in those cities, as opposed to simply murder.
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Re: Five teenagers mount armed attack on high school

Hey all, DC is south of Mass so of course it's 'southern'.
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