Seriously………..



Yes but you can run from these types of weapons.
Bullets chase you much faster.

But it makes it more difficult as we may have witnessed here.
I would expect nothing less from you two. If five kids walked into a school with guns and used them in the way they are designed ie fired them at targets vs using the weapons they had the way they are used ie hitting things in arms reach there would have been far more potential for damage. A teacher was hit. With a gun he would have been shot. Consider the difference. One of the attackers is already being charged with another violent offence. Last night reports had them refused bail as they were un repentant and planning more attacks while in Police custody. This doesn’t appear to me to be a cry for attention. They were looking for someone and attacked anyone in their way.
Try to salvage at least a tiny bit of credibility and refrain from jumping to desperate conclusions and creating ridiculous scenarios.

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I have first-hand experience with a school shooting (Santana High School, March 5, 2001). The shooter wasn't looking for "attention" at all.

What's your experience with such things?

It definitely is a southern city culturally, the inhabitants are mainly migrants or the descendants of migrants from the south.
Unless you want to argue that the inhabitants are the descendants of slaves from New England.

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And thats a postive outcome is it?

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No, its just mudwhistle babbling again. Currently teachers cannot legally be armed in a public school.

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Not that most of those liberal teachers would actually want to...

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The kids in question either weren't serious about killing anybody or were complete idiots. (Tho the two are not mutually exclusive!) With the weapons described and even a rudimentary tactical plan, they should have at least one corpse to brag about. If they weren't serious, adding guns to the mix would likely have changed little (maybe worse if they accidentally shot something important, maybe better if they just used the guns to subdue and then just slapped people around, probably a statistical wash). If they were complete idiots, they either wouldn't have been able to get guns, just as they didn't get Molotov cocktails or properly plan, or things would indeed have probably been worse if they had firearms and stupidly started shooting indiscriminantly.

There are too many unknowns and variables to form any definitive conclusion - Violence will occur despite firearms restrictions? Firearms could have made things much worse? Both are valid observations; personal bias will likely determine which is considered the more important of the two. (I'm surprisingly leaning more towards the latter for this particular incident, despite being very pro 2A.)

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Seriously, what? Are you aware of how easy those things are to make?. Gasoline and soap shavings produces napalm. Kerosene and a rag will make a Molotov cocktail. How does a firearms prohibition stop anybody from doing those things?

I'm not disagreeing, but you are asserting that a lack of availability made it more difficult for these kids to commit mass murder. It is my contention that it isn't, rather these kids were not truly intent on killing. Anybody with an internet connection can learn any number of terrible means of killing without firearms.

You say I need to salvage credibility for jumping to a conclusion when you have done the same thing. You asserted that since guns were not permitted these kids had a more difficult time killing people (focusing only on guns as a deadly weapon), therefore the prohibitions in that area worked. There is too much at play here to attribute this to any political move.

Then why have these type of incidents become increasingly more common since Columbine? They seek the exact type of attention that a serial killer seeks. They have no regard for themselves or others, yet the revel in media attention.

Why does America have the highest murder rate of any developed country despite relaxed gun laws?

It doesn't, so your question is irrelevant.

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Has anyone actually used them in any recent attacks on any schools anywhere?
I haven’t been able to pick up anything about recent high school napalmings. And a Molotov cocktail is a far far less effective weapon than a gun. And than a knife or club for that matter.

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We don't?

NationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country


Looks to me like we do.

Unless you're counting Papua New Guinea as developed, of course. Or Kyrgystan. You might try to claim Russia, but it's clearly not in the 1st world.

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I disagree about Russia not being a 1st world country. They have serious issues which remind me of a pre-Glasnost era, but I can't consider them as a non-1st world society.

And, I do agree that our murders/capita are not pretty. However, having more gun restrictions doesn't seem to be the answer. When we can actually enforce what is on the books already, then we can see how the numbers are affected before making more laws that end up having little chance of enforcement.

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I've been reading the comments with interest, and I have never been an advocate of "no guns"; but one cannot help but notice that in Australia, we had a single violent incident this year in which not a single death resulted. I'll compare that with the number of school/university incidents this year to date, and the dozens who have been killed as a result...