how bout you stick with your jurisdiction, NYC.

Dram shop laws have been on the books for years. I think they're in the common law in fact. Bartenders are supposed to "cut you off" if you're falling down drunk, I always heard

The police can trace stolen cars a lot more easily than stolen guns. Nowadays if a dead body is found and the gun that killed it is right next to it there is no way the police can trace down the owner if they're from out of state. That sounds silly to me. True, the gun may have been stolen, but it may not, and the circumstances of the theft may offer clues

It's one thing to allow people to have guns, quite another to hamper the police in investigating crimes that may be commited with them.

Gun registries is not needed lead to concentration camps
If the liberals is telling the truth about respecting the 2nd amendment why the need for the Fascist Gun registration.

If my gun is ever stolen, I'll report it to the police as any responsible citizen would do. I keep the paperwork, including the serial number, in a safe so short of removing the serial number, it would be traceable. Saying that not having a national registry because it hampers police investigations is saying that all honest, gun-toting citizens should give up their privacy "just in case". I have no intention of committing a crime with my gun or having it stolen and therefore see no need for the government to know that I own it. Besides, do you honestly think that a criminal would register his gun???? No, he wouldn't so all you would have is a registry of law-abiding gun owners while the criminals' names would never hit the list.

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Its one thing to allow people to be protected from warrantless searches, quite another to hamper the police in investigating crimes.

Our Constitution does not exist to make life easier on government, but to prevent government from having too much power.

If you'd prefer a system in which government rules rather than serves, by all means, feel free to relocate to any of the myriad of nations which operate in such a fashion.

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Wouldn't it make more sense to find and put away the person that used the weapon as opposed to fretting about whereever the weapon came from ?

Not every Stop sign is an epic struggle for freedom (thanx to whoever here said that, I forget) and what does this have to do with warrantless searches, we're not talking about the Patriot Act here.

Not if it's taken out of state. Why are you so concerned about your privacy as to what kind of gun(s) you own? It's certainly not shameful and they're at least as dangerous, (and as valuable) as your car. Don't you want it back if its stolen?

The criminal has to get the gun from someplace, and not that many guns are stolen from individuals. Why are you so concerned about protecting corrupt dealers in states with lax gun laws, who are a major source of guns for gangs. If org crime makes the killing they do smuggling cigarets how much more do you think they derive from guns? Registered guns would go a long way to stopping this deadly trade.

Do you buy the NRA malarkey that it's all a plot to confiscate them? Bull. the government made most really effective, (that is, automatic) weapons de facto illegal in the 1930's, yet we haven't slid down the 'slippery slope' to a gunless America yet

So we should take away one of the police's main methods of finding out who the person is? Right now, we're largely in the position of finding the getaway car and having to junk it for lack of evidence. Why do we even put numbers on the weapons if the police aren't able to use them?

I'm not arguing for prohibiting gun ownership but gun owners need to take some responsibility for their property and at least be cooperative in helping us find and stop those who would use them to harm us all.

If my gun is stolen, I'll get another one...that's why I have insurance. And if you can tell me where I can get a brand new car for $500, I'll buy it, otherwise, the monetary value of my gun comes nowhere near what I paid for my car.
There was a time when I didn't necessarily mind the idea of a national registry but no more. I saw what happened after Katrina and though Louisiana has since passed a law preventing law officers from confiscating weapons from law-abiding citizens, I don't necessarily trust that it will be obeyed.
When it comes to corrupt gun dealers, you're deluding yourself if you think that making honest people register their guns is going to make a difference. Face it, a criminal is a criminal and corrupt gun dealers are criminals...passing a new law will only give them another law to break.
No, I don't think there's a plot to take away our guns. Sure, there's some real eggheads out there that would like to see it done, maybe even a few in office, but most politicians know that they'd be signing their political death certificate to introduce any bill like that. Not to mention that we gun owners would give new meaning to "American Revolution"!

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looking for where it was stolen from does nothiing to find the criminal responsible for the crime in NYC. its a smokescreen for not beig interested in doing the investigation in the city. its time consuming to look for prints, talk to residents etc etc etc....

I see you missed the point.

The point of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, is to RESTRICT the power of government. Yes, it would make things easier on the police if all guns and gun owners were registered. So what? Eliminating the need for search warrants would also make their jobs easier. Should we do away with the 4th Amendment on that basis?

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So some gun dealers will still break the law but it will be more difficult, isnt that how law enforcement works in general? I suppose we should cease trying to stop people from robbing banks because no matter what we do, some will still do it?

And somehow, your final sentence really doesn't give me a whole lot of faith in the law abiding tendencies of gun owners

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It might do something to find out how he got the gun, and prevent others like him from doing so, and yes, it is difficult to be deliberately stymied in finding violent criminals for no good reason.

Someday, terrorists are going to have a field day sniping at our population with guns we have no way of tracing to their suppliers.

There's a good reason for the 4th Amendment and many benefits to its continued enforcement. The only reason for not having a gun registry is NRA paranoia and the only 'benefit' is continued death on our streets. Your zeal to protect my right to have a criminal blow my brains out is really not necessary, thanks anyway

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I wonder if you are aware of the systematic abuses of citizen's rights following the hurricanes? Invasive searches of people's homes without warrants.

In one particularly egregious case, the police brutalized an elderly woman and confiscated her lawfully owned firearm inside her own home.

Are you aware that the City of New Orleans refused to return the guns they unlawfully confiscated even after a court ordered it to?

Look into what happened in the aftermath of Katrina. It should disturb you greatly.

Matt

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This gun registry stuff is a load of crap.

Just because there is no centrally located gun registry does NOT mean that guns can’t be traced. FFL dealers are required to document every firearms transfer. The BATFE performs annual compliance inspections. If there are any discrepancies, a Report of Violation is issued, outlining corrective actions. Failure to implement those actions results in the BATFE employing remedial actions on the gun dealer. Law enforcement agencies may request a gun trace from the BATFE for any reason whatsoever. A central gun registry by itself will provide law enforcement agencies with precisely the same information they already have access to. The only thing that would make a difference would be to outlaw private sales of firearms, which definitely infringes on the 2nd amendment.

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Please explain for all of us how registration will do anything to prevent crime or assist police in solving crime.

Remember please, not only will criminals NOT register their firearms (after all, they are criminals), but they are in fact legally exempt from registration requirements.

The reason the NRA and other groups block any attempts by Congress to require registration is it is blatantly unconstitutional.

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I would be disturbed if I didn't realize this admitted overreaction was a reply by police to having people shoot at them before while they were trying to save lives.

Like it or not, no police dept anywhere is going to 'play fair' with people who are trying to kill them. They probably view our paranoia about our guns with amused bemusement until it threatens their lives and then the gloves come off. I may or may not agree with the legality of what they do then but I understand it, and would probably do the same thing in their place.

And were I waiting for a helicopter on my rooftop I wouldn't feel at all good about seeing my neighbor, who I know thinks FEMA is a Russian plot, on his along with his entire firearms collection