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Bloomberg squanders more tax money on another failed frivolous lawsuit

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Appeals court tosses out NYC lawsuit against gun industry

By LARRY NEUMEISTER Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 04/30/2008 08:11:22 AM PDT

NEW YORK—A federal appeals court Wednesday tossed out New York City's lawsuit accusing the gun industry of selling firearms with the knowledge they can be diverted into illegal markets.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a federal law provides the gun industry with broad immunity from lawsuits brought by crime victims and violence-plagued cities. A federal judge had allowed the lawsuit to proceed, though it had not yet reached trial.
New York is one of several cities that had sued gun makers. It said the industry violated public nuisance law by failing to take reasonable steps to stop widespread access to illegal firearms.
The lawsuit asked for no monetary damages. It had sought a court order for gun makers to more closely monitor those dealers who frequently sell guns later used to commit crimes.
"I am disappointed in the court's decision," said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. "Regardless of this ruling, we will continue our fight against illegal guns full bore—in the courtrooms, on the streets and in the Congress."
City Corporation Counsel Michael Cardozo said his office "is analyzing the decision" before deciding whether to appeal.
It's too bad the money being pissed away by Bloomberg on these frivolous lawsuits isn't being used for something intelligent - like funding the police to go after criminals.

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It's too bad the money being pissed away by Bloomberg on these frivolous lawsuits isn't being used for something intelligent - like funding the police to go after criminals.

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Oh the irony of it all.
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It's too bad the money being pissed away by Bloomberg on these frivolous lawsuits isn't being used for something intelligent - like funding the police to go after criminals.

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I thought NYC did and crime has gone way down (way way down! ) from what it was 20 years ago. No?
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Re: Bloomberg squanders more tax money on another failed frivolous lawsuit

Just another example of how the NRA has largely become a lobby for criminals, if they wanted to encourage "responsible" gun ownership they would back this law.

I find it terribly sad that an org composed overwhelmingly of well-intentioned people has been so thoroughly co-opted by a cadre of greedy and unethical mouthpieces for an industry whose only objective seems to be more and better armed criminals to prey on us and making life easier for them.
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Just another example of how the NRA has largely become a lobby for criminals, if they wanted to encourage "responsible" gun ownership they would back this law.

I find it terribly sad that an org composed overwhelmingly of well-intentioned people has been so thoroughly co-opted by a cadre of greedy and unethical mouthpieces for an industry whose only objective seems to be more and better armed criminals to prey on us and making life easier for them.
Utter nonsense.

Is Ford liable when a bank robber uses one of their cars as a getaway vehicle?
Is Husqvarna liable for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

Bloomberg is the problem here - and if anyone at the ATF had a pair of balls, he'd be under indictment right now.

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god bless the nra......
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Just another example of how the NRA has largely become a lobby for criminals, if they wanted to encourage "responsible" gun ownership they would back this law.

I find it terribly sad that an org composed overwhelmingly of well-intentioned people has been so thoroughly co-opted by a cadre of greedy and unethical mouthpieces for an industry whose only objective seems to be more and better armed criminals to prey on us and making life easier for them.
What bullshit! It isn't the fault of the manufacturers that criminals end up with guns and to file a lawsuit such as this makes Bloomberg and supporters look like total idiots.

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It had sought a court order for gun makers to more closely monitor those dealers who frequently sell guns later used to commit crimes.
Here's a novel idea...why not have the POLICE more closely monitor those dealers who frequently sell guns later used to commit crimes???? But even with that, if the dealer is legally selling guns to people who can legally obtain them, then it's not the dealer's fault if the gun is later used in a crime.

Just gotta love the "guns kill" types...
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What bullshit! It isn't the fault of the manufacturers that criminals end up with guns and to file a lawsuit such as this makes Bloomberg and supporters look like total idiots.



Here's a novel idea...why not have the POLICE more closely monitor those dealers who frequently sell guns later used to commit crimes???? But even with that, if the dealer is legally selling guns to people who can legally obtain them, then it's not the dealer's fault if the gun is later used in a crime.

Just gotta love the "guns kill" types...
Because NRA supported laws forbid them from doing so.

Look it up. A nationwide registry of guns has been consistently blocked by the NRA.

By all your reasoning a gun manufacturer could sell the "Saturday Night Special, Endorsed by leading members of the Crips and Bloods" and nobody should do anything about it.
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Utter nonsense.

Is Ford liable when a bank robber uses one of their cars as a getaway vehicle?
Is Husqvarna liable for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

Bloomberg is the problem here - and if anyone at the ATF had a pair of balls, he'd be under indictment right now.

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For what?? I realize you Americans love your guns but is it ILLEGAL to dare criticise them now??
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Because NRA supported laws forbid them from doing so.

Look it up. A nationwide registry of guns has been consistently blocked by the NRA.
More idiocy. The registry wouldn’t help the police monitor criminal, it would help them monitor gun owners.

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By all your reasoning a gun manufacturer could sell the "Saturday Night Special, Endorsed by leading members of the Crips and Bloods" and nobody should do anything about it.
The Hong Kong Triads are allowed to endorse a machete manufacturer, if anyone wanted them to. What’s you point?
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For what?? I realize you Americans love your guns but is it ILLEGAL to dare criticise them now??

A city mayor really shouldn't be trying to usurp federal power.
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For what?? I realize you Americans love your guns but is it ILLEGAL to dare criticise them now??
Nobody suggested any such thing. If we're to converse, it will be much easier and more productive if you are not inventing positions for me.....

As to the charges, Mr. Bloomberg hired investigators to go to stores outside New York and engage in straw purchases. Making or attempting to make such a purchase is a federal crime. As is supplying false or misleading information on the sworn statement the buyer completes on the ATF 4473.

Bloomberg engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit these acts. If someone at the ATF had any balls, he'd be in jail now.

Bloomberg's actions were so outrageous that the Virginia State's Attorney sent him a letter warning him he would be prosecuted by the State if he continued his unlawful conduct.

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Because NRA supported laws forbid them from doing so.

Look it up. A nationwide registry of guns has been consistently blocked by the NRA.

By all your reasoning a gun manufacturer could sell the "Saturday Night Special, Endorsed by leading members of the Crips and Bloods" and nobody should do anything about it.
I know that a nationwide registry has been blocked and I've no problem with that. I have the right to own a gun per the Constitution and nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government has a right to know what kind of guns I own.

A gun manufacturer should never be held responsible for what a criminal does with a gun, nor should a dealer as long as he's selling the guns legally. By all your reasoning, the drug companies that produce pseudoephidrine should be held responsible when someone uses their product to make meth and sell it to a young kid. By all your reasoning, Anheuser-Busch should be held responsible when someone drinks too many Budweisers and kills someone on the road. See how silly that sounds?????
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By all your reasoning, Anheuser-Busch should be held responsible when someone drinks too many Budweisers and kills someone on the road. See how silly that sounds?????
Bite your tongue, especially as someone who tends bar. With all of the blame everyone legislation flying around, this will probably happen before much longer. In Illinois, bartenders and restaurants/bars are already held responsible for the actions of drunk drivers, even if they operated the bar in perfectly legal fashion (i.e. asked for identification, had no reason to believe the patron was overly intoxicated).

On the subject of the OP, if I lived in New York, I'd be pretty miffed at this waste of taxpayer money.
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Re: Bloomberg squanders more tax money on another failed frivolous lawsuit

Bloomberg is the typical oppressive liberal
the liberals claim to back civil rights but oppose the main right which gives all citizens to protect their rights.
The liberals claim to support womens rights but they refuse to allow women to
have a defense rapist
the liberals claim to support minority rights but they oppose the right of Minorities to protect themselves against racist
by the way it was the Nra who helped blacks defeat the kkk in NC













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