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You don't have to show your license to the dealer when you buy a car? You certainly can't register it or drive it without one can you?Originally Posted by Traveler
Why are you against making sure guns are only sold to law abiding sane people?
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I do not support any carrying of handguns by the public
I support open carrying
I support concealed carrying
I support both - it is the choice of the carrier
I don't know or have another idea
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There's no test to buy a car either.
You don't have to show your license to the dealer when you buy a car? You certainly can't register it or drive it without one can you?
Why are you against making sure guns are only sold to law abiding sane people?
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Why are you against treating our vets like every other citizen? (One can throw an equally stupid question match another).
And you said anyone can buy a gun without a test, and that's the same as a car, so your argument is moot.
Legend of USPO!
Obama wants to make sure certain kinds of guns (including the guns used by 99% of the competitors in the largest rifle target competition in the US) aren't available to anyone.
Why do you support that?
Matt
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
Anyone legally. The rest of we law-abiding schmucks need to tolerate the criminals with the firepower.
Legend of USPO
The Report of the Virginia Tech Review Panel would seem to be a good place to start:
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Tem...FullReport.pdfStatutory time constraints for temporary detention and involuntary commitment hearings significantly impede the collection of vital psychiatric information required for risk assessment.
The Virginia standard for involuntary commitment is one of the most restrictive in the nation and is not uniformly applied.
The fact that a CSB representative did not attend the commitment hearing and the failure to certify a copy of the outpatient commitment order to the CSB resulted in an absence of oversight for Cho’s outpatient treatment.
The lack of a requirement in the Virginia Code to certify outpatient commitment orders to the CCRE resulted in Cho’s name not being entered in the database, which could have prevented his purchase of firearms.
There was a lack of doctor-to-clinician contact between St. Albans Hospital and the Cook Counseling Center.
In the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy, much of the discussion regarding mental health services has focused on the commitment process. However, the mental health system has major gaps in its entirety starting from the lack of short-term crisis stabilization units to the outpatient services and the highly important case management function, which strings together the entire care for an individual to ensure success. These gaps prevent individuals from getting the psychiatric help when they are getting ill, during the need for acute stabilization, and when they need therapy and medication management during recovery.
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Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Obama wont be violating the constitoution and the 2nd amendment by banning semi-automatic firearms. Since the 2nd amendment is so extremely vague in its texture (only mentioning the word arms) he wont be violating that either by outlawing handgun carrying in public.
Never trust a man who doesn't swear!
The Supreme Court disagrees with you on that one.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
For now, but NRA are in their pocket too I bet. :rolleyes:The Supreme Court disagrees with you on that one.
Never trust a man who doesn't swear!
Legend of USPO!
Um, not "for now".
The second amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms unconnected in any way to any militia service.
It's decided. Finis. Done. Over.
See also Stare Decisis.
Matt
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
If he outlaws handguns, I'm carryin' a shotgun...
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What's insane Sam is the never-ending quest by people understandably concerned about gun crime thinking overly prohibitive and harassing measures will cure the problem. All is needed is the measures in place as I described and that's all one can do on that end.
None of what you are saying will prevent a criminal or nut from getting one. They can simply get them the old fashioned way--the black market trade. Worse, such weapons aren't even as traceable for crime purposes.
You're from NJ right? Ask yourself and Frank Lautenberg of NJ whom you mentioned the following: with all of NJ strict and basically prohibitive firearms laws, how 'safe' exactly is Camden, Newark, Atlantic City, etc.? Try googling 'most dangerous city' and get your answer.
You don't go after licensed drivers that obey traffic laws just because some drivers drive suspended and drunk, recklessly, etc. Such types either obey the suspensions and laws or they just violate it driving anyway because they don't give a shit about the suspensions and laws. Thus, you go after them, not those not doing it.
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Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Problem is the 2nd amendment doesnt specify what kinda arms people are allowed to carry. So Obama should be able to take away the right to carry handguns, if he still allow people to carry long guns (for instance), which extremely few people would do for obvious reasons.
Last edited by Wallaroo; 06-29-2008 at 05:12 PM.
Never trust a man who doesn't swear!
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Concealed? Try this if you can get it out on the black market...
Never trust a man who doesn't swear!
Legend of USPO!
Not so.
You might not have noticed, but the case the court just decided overturned the handgun ban in DC......
Matt
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
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