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I do not support any carrying of handguns by the public
I support open carrying
I support concealed carrying
I support both - it is the choice of the carrier
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Why are you against treating our vets like every other citizen? (One can throw an equally stupid question match another).
And you said anyone can buy a gun without a test, and that's the same as a car, so your argument is moot.
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
The Report of the Virginia Tech Review Panel would seem to be a good place to start:
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Tem...FullReport.pdfStatutory time constraints for temporary detention and involuntary commitment hearings significantly impede the collection of vital psychiatric information required for risk assessment.
The Virginia standard for involuntary commitment is one of the most restrictive in the nation and is not uniformly applied.
The fact that a CSB representative did not attend the commitment hearing and the failure to certify a copy of the outpatient commitment order to the CSB resulted in an absence of oversight for Cho’s outpatient treatment.
The lack of a requirement in the Virginia Code to certify outpatient commitment orders to the CCRE resulted in Cho’s name not being entered in the database, which could have prevented his purchase of firearms.
There was a lack of doctor-to-clinician contact between St. Albans Hospital and the Cook Counseling Center.
In the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy, much of the discussion regarding mental health services has focused on the commitment process. However, the mental health system has major gaps in its entirety starting from the lack of short-term crisis stabilization units to the outpatient services and the highly important case management function, which strings together the entire care for an individual to ensure success. These gaps prevent individuals from getting the psychiatric help when they are getting ill, during the need for acute stabilization, and when they need therapy and medication management during recovery.
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“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
What's insane Sam is the never-ending quest by people understandably concerned about gun crime thinking overly prohibitive and harassing measures will cure the problem. All is needed is the measures in place as I described and that's all one can do on that end.
None of what you are saying will prevent a criminal or nut from getting one. They can simply get them the old fashioned way--the black market trade. Worse, such weapons aren't even as traceable for crime purposes.
You're from NJ right? Ask yourself and Frank Lautenberg of NJ whom you mentioned the following: with all of NJ strict and basically prohibitive firearms laws, how 'safe' exactly is Camden, Newark, Atlantic City, etc.? Try googling 'most dangerous city' and get your answer.
You don't go after licensed drivers that obey traffic laws just because some drivers drive suspended and drunk, recklessly, etc. Such types either obey the suspensions and laws or they just violate it driving anyway because they don't give a shit about the suspensions and laws. Thus, you go after them, not those not doing it.
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Problem is the 2nd amendment doesnt specify what kinda arms people are allowed to carry. So Obama should be able to take away the right to carry handguns, if he still allow people to carry long guns (for instance), which extremely few people would do for obvious reasons.
Last edited by Wallaroo; 06-29-2008 at 05:12 PM.
Never trust a man who doesn't swear!
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
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