Open or Conceal Carry? - Page 8 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Traveler · #**106** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

We give drivers written and driving tests.

There is no test to buy a gun.

There's no test to buy a car either.

ViolaLee · #**107** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Traveler

There's no test to buy a car either.

You don't have to show your license to the dealer when you buy a car? You certainly can't register it or drive it without one can you?

Why are you against making sure guns are only sold to law abiding sane people?

Traveler · #**108** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

Why are you against treating our vets like every other citizen? (One can throw an equally stupid question match another).

And you said anyone can buy a gun without a test, and that's the same as a car, so your argument is moot.

MattLarson · #**109** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

You don't have to show your license to the dealer when you buy a car? You certainly can't register it or drive it without one can you?

Why are you against making sure guns are only sold to law abiding sane people?

Obama wants to make sure certain kinds of guns (including the guns used by 99% of the competitors in the largest rifle target competition in the US) aren't available to anyone.

Why do you support that?

Matt

Si modo · #**110** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Obama wants to make sure certain kinds of guns (including the guns used by 99% of the competitors in the largest rifle target competition in the US) aren't available to anyone.

Why do you support that?

Matt

Anyone legally. The rest of we law-abiding schmucks need to tolerate the criminals with the firepower.

CYDdharta · #**111** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

Was it proven that the mental hospital did not report his stay?

The Report of the Virginia Tech Review Panel would seem to be a good place to start:

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Statutory time constraints for temporary detention and involuntary commitment hearings significantly impede the collection of vital psychiatric information required for risk assessment.

The Virginia standard for involuntary commitment is one of the most restrictive in the nation and is not uniformly applied.

The fact that a CSB representative did not attend the commitment hearing and the failure to certify a copy of the outpatient commitment order to the CSB resulted in an absence of oversight for Cho’s outpatient treatment.

The lack of a requirement in the Virginia Code to certify outpatient commitment orders to the CCRE resulted in Cho’s name not being entered in the database, which could have prevented his purchase of firearms.

There was a lack of doctor-to-clinician contact between St. Albans Hospital and the Cook Counseling Center.

In the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy, much of the discussion regarding mental health services has focused on the commitment process. However, the mental health system has major gaps in its entirety starting from the lack of short-term crisis stabilization units to the outpatient services and the highly important case management function, which strings together the entire care for an individual to ensure success. These gaps prevent individuals from getting the psychiatric help when they are getting ill, during the need for acute stabilization, and when they need therapy and medication management during recovery.

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Tem...FullReport.pdf

Wallaroo · #**112** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Obama wants to make sure certain kinds of guns (including the guns used by 99% of the competitors in the largest rifle target competition in the US) aren't available to anyone.

Matt

Obama wont be violating the constitoution and the 2nd amendment by banning semi-automatic firearms. Since the 2nd amendment is so extremely vague in its texture (only mentioning the word arms) he wont be violating that either by outlawing handgun carrying in public.

Si modo · #**113** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Obama wont be violating the constitoution and the 2nd amendment by banning semi-automatic firearms. Since the 2nd amendment is so extremely vague in its texture (only mentioning the word arms) he wont be violating that either by outlawing handgun carrying in public.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you on that one.

Wallaroo · #**114** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

The Supreme Court disagrees with you on that one.

For now, but NRA are in their pocket too I bet.

MattLarson · #**115** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

For now, but NRA are in their pocket too I bet.

Um, not "for now".

The second amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms unconnected in any way to any militia service.

It's decided. Finis. Done. Over.

See also Stare Decisis.

Matt

Steve · #**116** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Obama wont be violating the constitoution and the 2nd amendment by banning semi-automatic firearms. Since the 2nd amendment is so extremely vague in its texture (only mentioning the word arms) he wont be violating that either by outlawing handgun carrying in public.

If he outlaws handguns, I'm carryin' a shotgun...

O'Sullivan Bere · #**117** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

Where's the proof his stay at the mental hospital was not reported? I've never heard that. I think the problem is that the background checks are not sufficient.

We give drivers written and driving tests.

There is no test to buy a gun.

There should be mandatory gun safety classes and a written and shooting test. There should be deep criminal and mental background checks and even a psychiatric test BEFORE a person should be allowed to buy a gun.

No more of this 15 minute background check, buy a gun the same day you walk into the store.

It's insane. Why would anyone be against all this? Only law abiding sane citizens should be able to buy guns!

What's insane Sam is the never-ending quest by people understandably concerned about gun crime thinking overly prohibitive and harassing measures will cure the problem. All is needed is the measures in place as I described and that's all one can do on that end.

None of what you are saying will prevent a criminal or nut from getting one. They can simply get them the old fashioned way--the black market trade. Worse, such weapons aren't even as traceable for crime purposes.

You're from NJ right? Ask yourself and Frank Lautenberg of NJ whom you mentioned the following: with all of NJ strict and basically prohibitive firearms laws, how 'safe' exactly is Camden, Newark, Atlantic City, etc.? Try googling 'most dangerous city' and get your answer.

You don't go after licensed drivers that obey traffic laws just because some drivers drive suspended and drunk, recklessly, etc. Such types either obey the suspensions and laws or they just violate it driving anyway because they don't give a shit about the suspensions and laws. Thus, you go after them, not those not doing it.

Wallaroo · #**118** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Um, not "for now".

The second amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms unconnected in any way to any militia service.

It's decided. Finis. Done. Over.

Matt

Problem is the 2nd amendment doesnt specify what kinda arms people are allowed to carry. So Obama should be able to take away the right to carry handguns, if he still allow people to carry long guns (for instance), which extremely few people would do for obvious reasons.

Wallaroo · #**119** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

If he outlaws handguns, I'm carryin' a shotgun...

Concealed? Try this if you can get it out on the black market...

MattLarson · #**120** (**permalink**) 06-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Problem is the 2nd amendment doesnt specify what kinda arms people are allowed to carry. So Obama should be able to take away the right to bear handguns, if he still allow people to carry long guns (for instance), which extremely few people would do for obvious reasons.

Not so.

You might not have noticed, but the case the court just decided overturned the handgun ban in DC......

Matt

View Poll Results: Open or Conceal Carry?
I do not support any carrying of handguns by the public	6	9.84%
I support open carrying	5	8.20%
I support concealed carrying	8	13.11%
I support both - it is the choice of the carrier	40	65.57%
I don't know or have another idea	2	3.28%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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