The OP linked to a source stating there are, on average, 83,000 defensive uses of a firearm per year.

Even counting suicides, that's still better than 2:1 odds that the gun will be used to defend oneself than to harm oneself or criminally harm another.

Thusly, your claim that "There are going to be situations in which having a gun saves a person's life or protects his/her property. There are going to be situations in which it endangers the lives of their owners or their owners' family and friends. Statistically, the latter are much more numerous" is shown to be incorrect.

Matt

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A harder right hook would never be thrown...

TSG, you strike me as a student who hasn't quite made it through his freshman course in logic. May i suggest you complete the class before you attempt another discussion?

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To suggest that the risk of walking out ones front door is zero is ridiculous too see

Originally Posted by TSGracchus
.........to suggest, as you do here, that the risk of having a gun is literally zero, is ridiculous.

The risk of waking UP in the morning isn't zero either.

Riding a bike is dangerous.

Driving a car is dangerous.

Making dinner can be dangerous.

Shaving can be dangerous.


.... what ISN'T dangerous ?

Let's legalize cocaine.

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Why not ?

Life itself is dangerous.

Tenuous. Each of us hangs by a thread nearly every day whether we realize or know it or not.

But then we get into arguments about what an entire society sees as "legal" and acceptable don't we ?

People do stupid shit no matter what. You can't make it illegal or restrict it.

That's ok, we won't hold it against you. You probably don't need to be around firearms anyway.

I'll make up for your slack though - I've got 32 firearms in my house.

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Right.

Fucking.

On.

This.

Why is it mine, or the state's, business what someone does to their self in their own home?

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This is something I find inconsistent with the logic of liberals and progressives, in the U.S. at least, who make the case that drugs ought to be legalized because people should be allowed to do whatever they want to with their own bodies (which I agree with) and then make the opposite case when it comes to guns. Is this just to spite conservatives or is there some actual principled way to advocate both positions?

(I'm not implicating you in this Donkey, just making a general statement)

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There should be fire arm restrictions because GUNS KILL. Simply for the sake of protection is not reason enough to take someone's life! There are other ways to protect besides killing. What about rubber bullets, tasers, pepper spray... why must we use weapons meant to kill when there are alternatives?

I agree, a person will do what they will with their body no matter the law.

Seriously? You don't think that someone trying to beat, rape and/or murder you is a good enough reason to harm or even kill them? I have always been taught that if someone tries to attack me, then their life is worth less than mine.

The gun is not what does the killing. It is merely the tool.
You are welcome to hold such a belief for yourself, but the vast majority of humanity would disagree with you. Self-defense is absolutely a legitimate reason to kill someone.
Yes there are, but if someone is trying to harm me, i'm not the least bit concerned about what might happen to him when i choose to defend myself.
What about them? They can still kill, and they're not effective when trying to stop a threat bent on causing you harm.
Useless against more than a single attacker, worthless against animals, no reload capability, and not always effective.
Same problems as a taser, very short range, and even less effective.
Because currently there ARE no alternatives which are as efficient and effective for self defense.

I am curious - what on earth is such a pathetic pacifist such as yourself doing in the USAF? Do you realize by advocating in favor of gun control you are violating your oath? You took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and here you are advocating destruction of that very same document, and the rights of the people you have sworn to defend.

Of course, i shouldn't be surprised that someone who has no respect for their own life would have no respect for any oath they have taken, or for the lives of others.

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