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New [anti-illegal] immigration strategy - Deport yourself (!?!)

Article: Agency allows immigrants here illegally to avoid raids, prison by turning selves in

There's not much complicated about it...

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Rather than risk getting caught, turn yourselves in.

That's the latest government strategy in its ongoing effort to dramatically reduce the nation's ballooning population of illegal immigrants.

Scheduled to be unveiled next week, it was announced Sunday by Julie Myers, director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in an interview with a Spanish-language television network.

Myers told the network that "Operation Scheduled Departure" will allow illegal immigrants without criminal records a chance to literally "self-deport" by turning themselves in to her agents.

She said the idea derived from a common complaint voiced by immigrant detainees: If given the opportunity, they'd rather just go home than be holed up in immigration prisons.

Under the new program, those still walking free will have the chance to walk into ICE offices, be processed and get a few weeks to arrange their affairs, pack their belongings and ship out of the country without being detained.

"The program basically gives an opportunity to those seeking an organized way to self-deport," Myers told Univisión anchor Jorge Ramos.
The rest of the article is mostly the blah, blah, blah same-old-indignation from the blah, blah, blah same-old-usual-suspects.

I do find leftists particularly amusing. This little quote is quite indicative of why you will never get anything done by trying to work or compromise with Dummycrats:

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Immigrant advocates called it a laughable charade with little to no chance of succeeding without any carrots to offer self-deportees.
Let's forget about the issue at hand for a moment and consider, well, the overall dynamic here:

Somebody has an idea. It costs little or nothing to implement (actually saves money). It will provide the desired result. It is modeled after a similar type idea that has been successful.

The only question is: To what degree will it be successful. 1 illegal alien? 10? 1,000? 10,000,000?

Since that question pretty much unanswerable and therefore open, the idea is met with the usual, expected, and always-charming condescending scorn from the left.

GOP Guy: "I have an idea! We should..."
Leftist Turd: "THAT WILL NEVER WORK!"
GOP Guy: "But, you didn't even let m..."
Leftist Turd: "THAT WILL NEVER WORK!"
GOP Guy: "Fine, dipshit, what do you propose instead?"
Leftist Turd: "HALIBURTON! PLAME! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"
GOP Guy: "Whatever, dickweed..."

That was the attempt at Social Security Reform in a nutshell.

Anyways, I do find the idea of a program designed around illegals turning themselves in, itself, potentially silly and ineffective. Seriously...who would do that? There is no added value other than the process allowing you to keep a bit more of your dignity...avoiding jail...given time to get affairs in order, etc...

Ah, therein lies the rub: In order for a program like this to take off, the counterpart program - the classic raid-arrest-imprison-humiliate-adjudicate-deport method - needs to be aggressively utilized. Only when the risk of suffering this outcome becomes very real will the alternate "voluntary" method become significantly attractive.

Bravo to the agency for trying new things...and not including bullshit incentives (amnesty, path to citizenship, etc...) to criminals! Even if it yields minimum results, it is still a success...although that would likely indicate, as I said before, deficiency in exercising the alternate traditional methods...which would need to be addressed.

Let's sit back and see how it does. See how many of them truly are "law abiding" by nature.
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Re: New [anti-illegal] immigration strategy - Deport yourself (!?!)

If the simple is as accessible as it seems, some people might just use it as a risk-free way to get back to Mexico to go on a trip to see their family and such...

I mean, if I needed to get back and the US government was offering to foot the bill, who wouldn't take it? Even if they intended to go back to the US in a bit.
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Re: New [anti-illegal] immigration strategy - Deport yourself (!?!)

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If the simple is as accessible as it seems, some people might just use it as a risk-free way to get back to Mexico to go on a trip to see their family and such...

I mean, if I needed to get back and the US government was offering to foot the bill, who wouldn't take it? Even if they intended to go back to the US in a bit.
People make it back after taking the much more brutal prison-deportation path, so, yeah, I would expect some of that here, too.

Upside, though, is that during their processing-out through ICE, they'd be documented, which would, presumably, make it harder for them to return to the U.S. (or at least stay/work/etc...) in the future.
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I might be a bit simple here (cos I don't know exactly what you mean by documented) but presumably, they're managing to avoid the law anyway. So being on their records won't really help matters, will it?
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I might be a bit simple here (cos I don't know exactly what you mean by documented) but presumably, they're managing to avoid the law anyway. So being on their records won't really help matters, will it?
They'll at least be "on file" which can only be an advantage. Maybe it means if they get arrested after returning, their status (repeat offender) will be obvious. If they returned, they'd likely have more difficulty establishing employment if the employer does any checking whatsoever. They'd not be able to later cross the border "legitimately" as a "tourist" if any biometrics were taken.

I seriously doubt the program could be used as a vehicle to get a free ride home for Christmas break repeatedly. Making it a one-time offer is a no-brainer.
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