Yes. Part of my Family is Swiss, and I have spent a lot of time there. I still remember the first time I was there, in my teens, and went to the bathroom in my half-brother's parent's appt. Three loaded assault rifles leaned up in the corners, cleaned and ready to go. It was no biggie for them, but I was surprised (and I thought it was pretty cool, too)

Every bridge into the country is mined, as is every major pass, and every able-bodied male serves, period, and is called back once a year for a brief period of service. They have (not so) secret airbases hidden deeply in the mountains, etc....

IOW, that country is ready to go at the drop of a hat, and woe be to anyone stupid enough to invade.

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Oh God, I hoped that this discussion would never come up again. An assault rifle is, by definition, a select-fire weapon, switchable from single shot per pull of the trigger to fully automatic, continuous fire, at the desire of the user. A semi-auto like an AR-15 is no more an assault weapon than a revolver, each only firing one shot per pull of the trigger.

Is there any way that this discussion can be started from a position of truth rather than a position of emotion?

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I am not out of service, and the vast majority of Infantry/mech ( tank ) guys guys, at least in the Corps, would have no part in helping take freedoms away from American citizens. And the Infantry/mech ( tank ) guys are the ones you want on your side. And yes, it has been discussed many times on nights spent in the barracks drinking beers.

You can't possibly be serious. The vast majority of service guys are dudes that get bored, join up, spend 4 years in, then go to college and smoke dope. There is no seperate sub-culture. We are your friends, neighbors, cousins, brothers, and sisters.

You would still need privatly owned firearms, because parts would be hard to come by. The only useless firearm is one not loaded and in use.

Um, no. Every Marine I know would die fighting that. Good try though.

Yes, you are.

The again, you're wrong about most things...

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it would need to be an argument over the constitution to get you americans to fight each other. would marine's take action against the citizens in this case? dont see why not. theyd be split right down the middle i suspect.

i think of new orleans during katrina. all the cops were pointing guns at the citizens, and had to be told to lower them. not much sense of common humanity was evident between gun holders and the rest.

This just in..............I decided to go on thee hunt for some cases of 7.62 x 39 , and guess what? Damned stuff is out of stock (wholesale)
Whatcha figure is up with that? Must be more of my "price paranoia".

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No, facts aren't welcome in a gun-ban debate, by either side. Sorry.

Of course you're correct, but I can defend myself with guns that aren't black and menacing. I can blow away 2-3 assailants at a time with a short shotgun with a wooden stock just as easily as a black plastic clad one with a pistol grip. So, who cares? There are more guns in this country than people anyways, they aren't going away. Ever.

Regards,
Mike

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Sounds like a chickenshit way of advocating armed insurrection. Of course, no Republican would admit to not putting "country first," right?

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The Heller opinion was blatant judicial activism. The object of the Second Amendment was to remove "all room for doubt or uneasiness upon the subject" "that Congress should neglect to provide for" arming the militia.

The convention of Virginia...proposed the following amendment to the constitution; "that each state respectively should have the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining it's own militia, whenever congress should neglect to provide for the same"... all room for doubt, or uneasiness upon the subject, seems to be completely removed, by the fourth article of amendments to the constitution, since ratified, viz. "That a militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

--Saint George Tucker; commenting on Article 1 - Section 8 - Clause 12 of the U. S. Constitution; 1803

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St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries 1:App. 272--75

The objects of this clause of the constitution, although founded upon the principle of our state bill of rights, Art. 8, declaring, "that a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state," were thought to be dangerous to the state governments. The convention of Virginia, therefore, proposed the following amendment to the constitution; "that each state respectively should have the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining it's own militia, whenever congress should neglect to provide for the same." . . . A further amendment proposed, was, "that the militia should not be subject to martial law, except when in actual service, in time of war, rebellion, or invasion." . . . A provision manifestly implied in the words of the constitution. As to the former of these amendments, all room for doubt, or uneasiness upon the subject, seems to be completely removed, by the fourth article of amendments to the constitution, since ratified, viz. "That a militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, and bear arms, shall not be infringed." . . . To which we may add, that the power of arming the militia, not being prohibited to the states, respectively, by the constitution, is, consequently, reserved to them, concurrently with the federal government. In pursuance of these powers, an act passed, 2 Cong. 1 Sess. c. 33, to provide for the national defence, by establishing an uniform militia throughout the United States; and the system of organization thereby established, has been carried into effect in Virginia, and probably in all the other states of the union.

--Saint George Tucker; commenting on Article 1 - Section 8 - Clause 12 of the U. S. Constitution; 1803

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Saint George Tucker was acknowledged as the finest legal mind in Virginia during the early days of the Republic. He was a personal friend and political ally of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Tucker held the most respected law school position in Virginia and James Madison made him a U. S. District Judge. He is considered to be the foremost expositor of Jeffersonian Republicanism.

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I find it appalling that Justice Antonin Scala, in his dissenting opinion in McCreary County v. ACLU, constructed his model of "the relationship between church and state" in America without even considering the actual text of the Constitution. How do incompetents like him get on the U. S. Supreme Court?

Yep, ban semi-auto's, and people would just switch to a bolt action Remington 700, and blast at oppressors from 600- 1000 meters.

Action, reaction.

If a ban ever happened, this country has an abundance of machinists that would turn out what people wanted

Ban guns, and some folks still remember how to set up dragon's tongue ambushes. .

Ban the diesel fuel that requires, and pitfalls still work.

Ban shovels, and hit and runs with vehicles still kill you dead.

Sling shots are a bitch.

Bow and arrows are still deadly out to a hundred meters.

There are many more dastardly things folks involved in a revolution/revolt could do to get their point across, but I won't get into those.

Where do you get your information from?

Subculture my ass. Our military are us, they are not separate. My family are pretty much Marines to a man and I see absolutely no evidence of them being anything other than (slightly scary) normal guys. They just happen to be a lot tougher than most but to call them a subculture is naive and stupid.

They do a hard job, and, for the most part, they do it incredibly well.

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I have to jump in and note that "the media" is claiming that gun sales are up over 10% this year. I wonder if any other industry is experiencing an across the board sales increase like that.

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Nice to see that sector doing well, despite the 'downturn'....

Are we planning another revolution? If so, why have I not been invited... If they have a revolution without me, I will be really cross and heads are gonna roll. (rolling heads!)

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