I'm still waiting for you to explain just how you're going to stop a gang member who buys his gun illegally and stashes it somewhere, only carrying it for a few hours at time when he has to commit a crime. How many private CCW holders actually sell their guns to criminals or have them stolen by criminals, anyway? Seems like it would be awfully difficult to break into someone's home to MAYBE steal a gun and MAYBE not get killed in the process. And selling a gun registered under your name to a known criminal doesn't make much sense, either.When you say "your negligence," you mean "the criminal's crime," right? Nah, let's just blame gun owners. The criminals don't know what they're doing! And since owning a gun without a license would be illegal, that would mean life imprisonment for carrying a gun without registering and licensing it. Well, gee, that certainly makes cutting a person's hand off for petty theft seem mild in comparison. I guess it's like "an eye for an eye," only it's more like your left leg and right arm for an insult.So in your mind, people who have a crime spree planned walk around looking for unlocked cars, with the keys inside, and a gun on the front seat? And if they don't find it, they just say "fuck it, let's go home?" Or are you perhaps saying that guns turn people into criminals and make them go on crime sprees? Make that guns AND cars. Well, no, it would be the driver of the SUV. That's why I don't understand why it's the owner's fault that his gun was stolen and used in a crime by THE CRIMINAL.That's just it, you are saying it. That person's negligence is not the only only thing that allowed it to happen. It isn't even the greatest. That thing is the criminal doing the crime. The criminal is not a dog or an SUV, it's another human.

You're going to be waiting a long time. Drake won't do it because Drake can't do it. When the question was asked to identify one gun law which would've prevented this incident, he failed.

What people like Danny, Drake, and other libs fail to understand is that making it illegal to own a gun will not, in any way, compel criminals to give up their guns, or to obtain them if they want them.

I'm a gun owner. Believe it or not, I'm a rational, sane individual. I'm trained in the use of, and have used, deadly force. My attackers were not armed with guns, but they'd have killed my wife and me nonetheless. My legal ownership of a gun, and my legal right to carry it, kept my wife and I alive.

If people like Danny and Drake had their way, my wife and I would have been killed. People like Danny and Drake completely dismiss the fact that people who legally own and carry firearms, by and large, are among the most law-abiding people on the planet. Legally owning and carrying a firearm is a profound responsibility that is rarely taken lightly.

People like Danny and Drake have no grasp of the reality that making it illegal to own and carry a gun will have absolutely zero effect on a criminal's decision to own and carry one. He's a criminal; he's no respect for the law. He's not going to magically decide that owning and carrying a firearm is something he shouldn't do just because it's illegal to do so.

People like Danny and Drake, all too often, fail to think things through, and allow their opinions to be based on emotions rather than facts...

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Exactly. In my country, criminals have no problems obtaining guns. That's why there are no go areas all throughout the country. Even the Gardai are nervous. The reason the chattering classes are so against allowing the law abiding to carry guns is because they aren't the ones who face the effects of not having one. The working classes have to.

Shh. The anti-gun lobby is motivated by a profound contempt for ordinary people. Don't spoil their fun.

Well, fuck 'em...

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Where is a 5 year old given legal access to weapons?

From what I understand the law states that gun-owners have an obligation to secure their weapons. Leaving them out for 5 year olds to use is criminal negligence.

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Mud, consider the source...

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Really?

How does that work, exactly? Does having enough money somehow make one bulletproof?

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You have no idea about the population of Northern Virginia. Your comments are hilareous and make you look like a fool.

Alexandria, Virginia alone has a higher and more congested living area than all of D.C. combined.

Great post

I wish some of the people would think about what life was like before firearms. Armed people have ruled over unarmed people for centuries. Before firearms, if you were a farmer, living far away from any neighbors, a few unarmed men could come to your farm and do whatever they wanted to you and your family. Just one or two well armed men could do the same(swords armor crossbows).

Throughout history, that are countless examples of an armed minority ruling an unarmed majority through brutal means and totalitarian rule. It still goes on today in a large number of countries.

I know several people who have been murdered. I know others who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and bad things happened to them. One of my classmates had his mother murdered in a church. It's true. SICKENING, BUT TRUE.

There are people out there who place no value on human life. None. Zilch. Zero. I, as do all people, have a right to defend myself and my family from these scumbags.

There is a great saying, it goes.........

"God created man. Sam Colt made him equal."

Maybe if you knew someone who was tied up, had his fiance raped in front of him and then was killed, along with his fiance, then maybe you would get it.

Maybe if you knew a girl who was driving on the expressway when a small piece of concrete hit her windshield, but shattered the windshield. Three guys stopped and asked the girls if they needed help. They said yes, they were then taken and raped and murdered.

Just 2 people I knew. I am sure many people here know of a similar story with someone they knew. All because if you are outnumbered, or have a large size disadvantage, you are helpless without a weapon. Having a firearm might not have changed either outcome for the victims above, but it would have given them a chance. Both stories might be totally different, or maybe just one of them.

Do you people not see the sickness out there? How do you protect yourself from a whacko with a gun? How about several large whackos with baseball bats, or knives?

If you wish to be a victim to any group of scumbags who comes along that is your choice, but it is not right for you to force other people into being victims who get preyed upon by any two bit punk with a gun, or knife, or greater numbers.

Please show me where I said the 5 year old could buy or possess them. I said they have access to them and in just about any home where the gun is not kept locked away they do. The parents are usually not aware of it either.

For cars it's already done. Why do you think you have to carry liability insurance? If you kept you gun in a safe it would probably reduce the insurance premium

You'd have to write the law carefully but all laws are like that.

No laws will stop people who do something illegally, that's why it's...illegal...WTF, WHY must only gun laws work ABSOLUTELY or we're better off not having them, we have laws against murder and bank robbery yet people still murder and rob banks, shit I guess we should just repeal them too, right?

That starts out incoherent and gets worse. I'm not really sure what you're referring to in the first few sentences and in the last ones it sounds like you're agreeing with me but still calling me an idiot anyway. Could you like edit it a little bit, cause I really can't make heads nor tails of most of it

NO law will have any effect on a criminal's DECISION to own and carry a gun, that's true but we're not talking about his decision but rather his ABILITY. If he can't GET a gun he can DECIDE to have and carry one all he wants.

And yes, you probably can't really prevent someone who wants one badly enough from getting it, but you can make it awfully difficult and expensive, just like you can't keep yourself from getting cancer if that's really your fated end but you still shouldn't smoke 4 packs a day anyway.



Actually no, no law I know of says any gun owner has any responsiblity to secure any gun, and the NRA is firmly against any and all such, as well as any liabilty to gun owners for what their guns do. If children are egregiously allowed to get them they are often prosecuted under endangerig a child laws but no, its' perfectly legal to hand an 8 year old an Uzi at a gun show.

And that's just the problem, conservatives generally seem not to understand the entire concept of criminal negligence and/or shared responsibility. They just say everyone should be "personally responsible" so when a criminal shoots you with a gun stolen from them it's just not their problem no matter how easy they made it for the criminal to steal the gun

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Maybe you need to take a gun safety course because they spell it out plainly. You can hand a child a Uzi at a gun show...unloaded and the stipulation is that a child can hold a gun if they are supervised by a licensed gun owner. Many states don't allow you to even own an Uzi and the ones that do require a permit. And gun owners are required by law to secure their weapons.

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You carry liability insurance on your vehicle in case YOU cause an accident. If your car is stolen and is involved in an accident, you aren't liable for the damages.

This argument is often put forth by the anti-gun crowd and it's just outright silly. Those laws don't prevent murders and bank robberies but they enable us to punish the criminal that commits them so they're basically "after the crime" laws whereas you anti-gun nuts want "before the crime" laws meaning you want to punish LEGAL gun owners.


If someone breaks into a house (that's illegal), then break open a gun safe and steal a gun (that's illegal), then they rob someone at gunpoint (that's illegal) and then murder someone else (that's illegal), just why should the gun owner share in the criminal's responsibility? Because he legally owned a gun?

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Here is what you said:

So again, where is it that "most" 5 year olds are given access to these weapons?

Here's one:

Florida Statute 790.174: Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes :->2002->Ch0790->Section 174 : flsenate.gov

I think we've found the problem - it's not the laws themselves that are deficient, just your awareness of them.

Generalize much? Or are you just attracted to the straw man argument to the level that you can't live without it?

Matt

Your level of naivity is stunning.

If, this afternoon, the production, sale, and ownership of firearms was made illegal, criminals would still get their hands on guns. If they have to pay more for them, they'll just rob more unarmed citizens, using pipes, bats, and knives, until they have enough money to buy them.

You are so short-sighted it's fucking hysterical. You're nothing more than a typical "blame the gun" type. You think that if I'm not allowed to carry a gun that, somehow, the criminal won't carry one either.

I carry my gun with me often. I haven't need to draw it in years and, in all probability, I won't have to. But if I ever find myself in a position where I need it, I want it to be there. You, on the other hand, would prefer that people not be able to defend themselves against criminals who will have guns.

It's people like you give libs a bad name. You fucking people make me ill...

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