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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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massive, unadulterated ignorance. try again next time
I was trying to be facetious. but, my statement was grounded in facts. Heroin, an opiate, is a pain killer. Truck drivers (the wheels of commerce) are notorious speed users and our fighter jet pilots are given Dexadrene, to be used with their discretion, to keep them alert on combat runs.

If you have a problem with something I've posted, just ask me to clarify my statement. Or is it your way to just jump on someones back before you really understand whats going on?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Well, on this one particular point, I will agree.

I don't know any heroin users, never have, but I have never met anyone who could manage a crack habit. I have met a few who could manage Meth use, but I don't know many of them, so my sample size is very small.

Still, I do not now a single person who has died from heroin, meth, or crack. I do not know anyone who was killed by someone on meth, crack, or heroin. As to alcohol, I know over a dozen people who have died in DUI related accidents.
Alcohol causes more pain and suffering than ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS COMBINED.

Some will argue this is because so many more people use alcohol, when compared to hard drugs, which is true, but alcohol causes violent tendencies in many, many people. How many bar fights have you seen in your life? I have seen well over 100 bar fights and many ended up with someone going to the hospital.

Even with the dangers from Meth, Heroin and Crack, prohibition has not stopped and has barely even slowed the availability of these drugs. All prohibition has done is make these drugs even MORE DANGEROUS, because of impurities and different potency levels. Many overdoses are because of prohibition.

Do me a favor, search once on these keywords.........

"deaths from bad heroin"
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Where have you been? Shit happens all the time. A guy a knows daughter was a heroin addict. She was murdered for her smack.
Tweakers routinely go bat shit nuts. Crack heads rob people for a few bucks. Youve obviously never spent a night in jail. (which is good)
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Originally Posted by Retro Fit View Post
I was trying to be facetious. but, my statement was grounded in facts. Heroin, an opiate, is a pain killer. Truck drivers (the wheels of commerce) are notorious speed users and our fighter jet pilots are given Dexadrene, to be used with their discretion, to keep them alert on combat runs.

If you have a problem with something I've posted, just ask me to clarify my statement. Or is it your way to just jump on someones back before you really understand whats going on?
Dexadrene is NOT crystal meth. Try again dude.
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Old 06-10-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Where have you been? Shit happens all the time. A guy a knows daughter was a heroin addict. She was murdered for her smack.
Tweakers routinely go bat shit nuts. Crack heads rob people for a few bucks. Youve obviously never spent a night in jail. (which is good)
What you say is true, drugs cause crime and violence, but it is nothing compared to the pain and suffering caused by alcohol.

Our government can't even keep drugs out of our prisons, yet people like you still think prohibition is the way to go?

Drug prohibition has made EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USE WORSE.

There is only one single benefit from drug prohibition and that is some people will not do drugs because of their illegality.

Meanwhile, prohibition has caused people to die from impure drugs, it has led to corruption of police and our courts, it has led to over crowding in our prisons and it gives profits to scumbags who place little to vlaue on human life, fueling gang violence and gang wars.

If you weigh all the pros and cons, drug prohibition causes WAY MORE PROBLEMS than it solves.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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What you say is true, drugs cause crime and violence, but it is nothing compared to the pain and suffering caused by alcohol.

Our government can't even keep drugs out of our prisons, yet people like you still think prohibition is the way to go?

Drug prohibition has made EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USE WORSE.

There is only one single benefit from drug prohibition and that is some people will not do drugs because of their illegality.

Meanwhile, prohibition has caused people to die from impure drugs, it has led to corruption of police and our courts, it has led to over crowding in our prisons and it gives profits to scumbags who place little to vlaue on human life, fueling gang violence and gang wars.

If you weigh all the pros and cons, drug prohibition causes WAY MORE PROBLEMS than it solves.
We can't keep drugs out of our prisons because we don't treat the prisoners like prisoners. Thats another story entirely.

*shrugs* tell that to congress. Don't be surprised when they laugh you out of the place though. I'm just trying to be realistic.
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Great lets give our fighter pilots meth. (which we don't do for a reason you know. there are other things that are alot less harmful than meth that do the same things.
But we do give them Dexadrine, which is a hell of a lot stronger then the "modified ephedrine" you call "Meth", which is what is found on the street. So, that means that speed users are subjected to street meth ,which by your statement is much more harmful then what we give our pilots, ( because it is made in clandestine laboratories) because its illegal.

I was in the Hollywood music scene for 15 years. I've known a lot of speed and heroin users...a lot. I've seen those swallowed up by scene, and I've seen those that function and elude the addiction, the authorities, and the poor house. Through it all I've noticed one constant rule, "People are going to do what people are going to do".....You cannot stop someone that wants to use. They have to want to stop. It doesn't matter if it's legal, It doesn't matter how much money it costs, it doesn't matter if their in jail, it doesn't matter what bridges they burn. They are going to do what they are going to do", and trying to stop someone who wants to use from using is always going to be a lesson in futility.
The laws against drug use are just the icing on the cake. It's not as if these peoples lives aren't already fucked up enough, but then they get arrested and in the system and that's it. They lose everything, or what little they had left because once your marked as a drug offender the only thing that's going to allow you to crawl out and see daylight again is.....money.

Every person that I've known personally that died from drugs (a total of 5)
had lost the will to live because of the monetary drain in the aftermath of being arrested for their drug abuse. So, sure, you could say that the drugs killed them, which is true. But, it did not kill them until after they were arrested and were subjected to our "legal" system, which was the last straw on the camels back. The drugs dragged them down but the cops and the courts finished them.
The domino effect of our "war on drugs"
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Dexadrene is NOT crystal meth. Try again dude.
"Dude"?...Ok, I can see where this is going, Bro. Maybe text doesn't register with you unless its typed like this: I was trying to be facetious. but, my statement was grounded in facts. Heroin, an opiate, is a pain killer. Truck drivers (the wheels of commerce) are notorious speed users and our fighter jet pilots are given Dexadrene, to be used with their discretion, to keep them alert on combat runs. Pharmaceutical Dexadrine is far stronger then street meth......Ya feel me, brau.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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We can't keep drugs out of our prisons because we don't treat the prisoners like prisoners.
Your right. We treat them like objects.
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*shrugs* tell that to congress. Don't be surprised when they laugh you out of the place though. I'm just trying to be realistic.
Ron Paul and a couple of others won't be laughing. But your right, the reality of the situation is that until such a time that the anti-drug war lobbyists can put out more cash then the drug war industrialists, nothing is going to change.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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But we do give them Dexadrine, which is a hell of a lot stronger then the "modified ephedrine" you call "Meth", which is what is found on the street. So, that means that speed users are subjected to street meth ,which by your statement is much more harmful then what we give our pilots, ( because it is made in clandestine laboratories) because its illegal.

I was in the Hollywood music scene for 15 years. I've known a lot of speed and heroin users...a lot. I've seen those swallowed up by scene, and I've seen those that function and elude the addiction, the authorities, and the poor house. Through it all I've noticed one constant rule, "People are going to do what people are going to do".....You cannot stop someone that wants to use. They have to want to stop. It doesn't matter if it's legal, It doesn't matter how much money it costs, it doesn't matter if their in jail, it doesn't matter what bridges they burn. They are going to do what they are going to do", and trying to stop someone who wants to use from using is always going to be a lesson in futility.
The laws against drug use are just the icing on the cake. It's not as if these peoples lives aren't already fucked up enough, but then they get arrested and in the system and that's it. They lose everything, or what little they had left because once your marked as a drug offender the only thing that's going to allow you to crawl out and see daylight again is.....money.

Every person that I've known personally that died from drugs (a total of 5)
had lost the will to live because of the monetary drain in the aftermath of being arrested for their drug abuse. So, sure, you could say that the drugs killed them, which is true. But, it did not kill them until after they were arrested and were subjected to our "legal" system, which was the last straw on the camels back. The drugs dragged them down but the cops and the courts finished them.
The domino effect of our "war on drugs"
And again i'm not really debating it with you. I just don't think youre gonna be able to get it passed anytime soon. Unlike pot. Since i'm not a meth user, or a coke head or a smack head i could give a fuck less if they got legalized. I care about pot getting legalized. Distancing pot from things like coke and speed and smack will go a long way to getting it legalized. Which is what i care about. Just being realistic man.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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"Dude"?...Ok, I can see where this is going, Bro. Maybe text doesn't register with you unless its typed like this: I was trying to be facetious. but, my statement was grounded in facts. Heroin, an opiate, is a pain killer. Truck drivers (the wheels of commerce) are notorious speed users and our fighter jet pilots are given Dexadrene, to be used with their discretion, to keep them alert on combat runs. Pharmaceutical Dexadrine is far stronger then street meth......Ya feel me, brau.
and again, its not crystal meth. which is what you are advocating the legality of.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Your right. We treat them like objects.
if we treated them like objects they wouldn't be able to smuggle dope into the prison system. we treat them wayyyyyyy too nice. It costs 55 dollars a day for the average prisoner in TDC. (texas department of corrections) i say work them for it.
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Ron Paul and a couple of others won't be laughing. But your right, the reality of the situation is that until such a time that the anti-drug war lobbyists can put out more cash then the drug war industrialists, nothing is going to change.
exactly.
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Old 06-10-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I just want pot seperated from "hard drugs" so it can get legalized. That is my only concern.
Then you just want it legalized because you want to get high, and not because you care about liberty.
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PS: lame anti drug commercials are bs. Ive been really ripped before but ive never been that ripped. (seen the one where the girl "doesn't remember" that she slutted out? o cmon. pot won't make you black out.)
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and again, its not crystal meth. which is what you are advocating the legality of.
Dexadrine is basically dextromethamphetamine, which, in case you're wondering (drumroll) is............ an essentially identical analog to crystal meth.

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