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Old 06-11-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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It is much stronger then street speed. Your argument is flawed, thus, you will not win this point.
has the same side effects does it? Lose your teeth and all that? Is it just as addictive?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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The bolded are direct results of drug prohibition rather than drug abuse (consider that not a lot of people kill one another for their alcohol, nor rob people for a few bucks to feed their habits - why bother - you can beg for enough to buy a 40 in half an hour) The other one is an ancillary side effect (i.e. prohibition doesn't cause meth users/addicts to behave erratically, but prohibition did cause the crystal meth epidemic).
people rob liquor stores all the time. Bums steal hooch all the time. Addicts of all shapes and sizes and drugs of choice (except for pot, never had the experience of pot heads robbing anyone) rob people for the money to get their drugs, or for the drugs themselves.
If you try to do this all at once, congress is just going to laugh you out of the capitol. No politician would put his name to the bill. They look out for themselves first as theyre only human, and this is political suicide. You have to start small and get your foot in the door. Prohibition didn't happen in a day, neither will legalization. Heroin, meth and coke have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG time to go until i'd be willing to bet theyd get support for legalization. Pot already has alot of support.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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has the same side effects does it? Lose your teeth and all that? Is it just as addictive?
as someone who was prescribed dexedrine and given controlled dosages of it, i can tell you that it is indeed addictive. your body becomes dependent on it and goes through serious withdrawal when it's removed from the body's system.

side effects include loss of appetite, sleeplessness, and depression, among others.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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people rob liquor stores all the time. Bums steal hooch all the time. Addicts of all shapes and sizes and drugs of choice (except for pot, never had the experience of pot heads robbing anyone) rob people for the money to get their drugs, or for the drugs themselves.
If you try to do this all at once, congress is just going to laugh you out of the capitol. No politician would put his name to the bill. They look out for themselves first as theyre only human, and this is political suicide. You have to start small and get your foot in the door. Prohibition didn't happen in a day, neither will legalization. Heroin, meth and coke have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG time to go until i'd be willing to bet theyd get support for legalization. Pot already has alot of support.
people rob liquor stores for money...not for liquor.

bums might pilfer a six pack here and there, but they're not going to kill anyone over it.

edit: and yes, we understand that congress isn't going decriminalize all drugs just yet. but that's a stupid reason not to support it.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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not going to read 15 pages but I believe we are all aware that smoking is bad for you irrespective of what it is.

feel free to make tobacco illegal too, I've seen first hand what that does. glad I had sense enough to quit decades ago.
actually marijuana smoke doesn't cause cancer. science fact.
Long term smokers (multiple times a day everyday for years) develop something similar to bronchitis which goes away if you quit smoking for a bit.


Tobacco WILL kill you. says so right there on the box
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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as someone who was prescribed dexedrine and given controlled dosages of it, i can tell you that it is indeed addictive. your body becomes dependent on it and goes through serious withdrawal.

side effects include loss of appetite, sleeplessness, depression, among others.
did you lose your teeth? How about the erratic behavior? Increased aggresiveness?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

[QUOTE=bg85;1465563]people rob liquor stores for money...not for liquor.

bums might pilfer a six pack here and there, but they're not going to kill anyone over it.

edit: and yes, we understand that congress isn't going decriminalize all drugs just yet. but that's a stupid reason not to support it.[/QUOTE]

just being sneaky. it seems to work for every politician, say one thing mean another. If they can do it and get away with it and get results from it, then why not me?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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did you lose your teeth? How about the erratic behavior? Increased aggresiveness?
lots of erratic behavior and increased aggressiveness. of course it wasn't as noticeable because i wasn't smoking it causing the chemical to enter directly into my brain. i was taking clean, pure dosages through time release capsules.

edit: i'm sure if you popped open enough pills of dexedrine and snorted/smoked them and did that every day for a couple of years your teeth and hair might start to fall out.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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lots of erratic behavior and increased aggressiveness. of course it wasn't as noticeable because i wasn't smoking it causing the chemical to enter directly into my brain. i was taking clean, pure dosages through time release capsules.

edit: i'm sure if you popped open enough pills of dexedrine and snorted/smoked them and did that every day for a couple of years your teeth and hair might start to fall out.
did you get high off the time release capsules? Like you would off of crystal meth? All tweaked out? Or was it more like taking a vicodin when youre actually prescribed them for pain? kinda evened out.
Besides you can by your own admission already get dexadrine if you need it to be prescribed to you.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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We can't keep drugs out of our prisons because we don't treat the prisoners like prisoners. Thats another story entirely.

*shrugs* tell that to congress. Don't be surprised when they laugh you out of the place though. I'm just trying to be realistic.
TRENTON -- The notorious Bloods street gang runs rampant inside New Jersey prisons, with members smuggling in drugs and cell phones, demanding money to protect other prisoners and recruiting new members, a new report shows.

Report: Gangs run rampant in N.J. prisons | thedailyjournal.com | The Daily Journal''

DRUGS RAMPANT IN PRISONS

The law calls it "conspiracy to possess narcotics on prison grounds."

The cops call them "drug mules."

The distribution of narcotics in prisons is a consistent problem for law enforcement, especially in Kings County, which is home to more inmates than any other county in California.

"You can get any drug you want in prison, anytime you want it," said Kevin Cook, a Deputy District Attorney in Kings County. "We see it all the time. It's almost impossible to stop drugs from coming in every time."

US CA: Drugs Rampant In Prisons

WILSONVILLE, Ore. -- Police said they arrested two men Monday who were employed at a women's prison on drug charges after they traded illegal contraband for sexual favors from inmates.

Oregon State Police detectives arrested two men who were former maintenance workers at Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in connection with a conspiracy to trade drugs or illegal contraband for sexual favors with women at the prison.

2 Accused Of Trading Sex For Drugs At Prison - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland

'Too easy' to get drugs in Wakefield's women's prison

Report slams HMP New Hall for lax checks

'Too easy' to get drugs in Wakefield's women's prison - Wakefield Express
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

A new story.......

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration's top drug cop plans to spend more money on treating addiction and scale down the "war on drugs" rhetoric as part of an overhaul of U.S. counternarcotics strategy.

But don't expect the White House to consider legalizing marijuana, drug czar Gil Kerlikowske said on Friday.

"The discussion about legalization is not a part of the president's vocabulary under any circumstances and it's not a part of mine," Kerlikowske said in a telephone interview.

Obama, who described youthful marijuana and cocaine use in his autobiography, has proposed a budget for the fiscal year starting in October that boosts funding for substance abuse programs by 4 percent to $3.6 billion.

Needle exchanges for intravenous drug users, now banned at the federal level, will be considered a healthcare issue, he said

U.S. drug czar calls for end to war on drugs | Special Coverage | Reuters

WELL, it's a start, but really we are just kidding ourselves if we think we can stop drugs. It's time to just admit we will never stop illegal drugs, so it makes more sense to legalize and regulate them. Oh well, I won't be holding my breath waiting for common sense to be displayed by the masses, or by our government.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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did you get high off the time release capsules? Like you would off of crystal meth? All tweaked out? Or was it more like taking a vicodin when youre actually prescribed them for pain? kinda evened out.
Besides you can by your own admission already get dexadrine if you need it to be prescribed to you.
no i didn't get all "tweaked out"...but like i said if i smoked the stuff rather than taking it in the form that i did i probably would. dexedrine is pretty much the same drug as crystal meth. there's a slight difference, but the main differences are that one is illegal and they have different methods of intake. if crystal meth were legal you'd probably see the same type of thing as other prescription drugs and a cleaner, purer product.

dexedrine and vicodin aren't even in the same category, btw. one is a stimulant and one is a depressant. two COMPLETELY different types of drugs.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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TRENTON -- The notorious Bloods street gang runs rampant inside New Jersey prisons, with members smuggling in drugs and cell phones, demanding money to protect other prisoners and recruiting new members, a new report shows.

Report: Gangs run rampant in N.J. prisons | thedailyjournal.com | The Daily Journal''

DRUGS RAMPANT IN PRISONS

The law calls it "conspiracy to possess narcotics on prison grounds."

The cops call them "drug mules."

The distribution of narcotics in prisons is a consistent problem for law enforcement, especially in Kings County, which is home to more inmates than any other county in California.

"You can get any drug you want in prison, anytime you want it," said Kevin Cook, a Deputy District Attorney in Kings County. "We see it all the time. It's almost impossible to stop drugs from coming in every time."

US CA: Drugs Rampant In Prisons

WILSONVILLE, Ore. -- Police said they arrested two men Monday who were employed at a women's prison on drug charges after they traded illegal contraband for sexual favors from inmates.

Oregon State Police detectives arrested two men who were former maintenance workers at Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in connection with a conspiracy to trade drugs or illegal contraband for sexual favors with women at the prison.

2 Accused Of Trading Sex For Drugs At Prison - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland

'Too easy' to get drugs in Wakefield's women's prison

Report slams HMP New Hall for lax checks

'Too easy' to get drugs in Wakefield's women's prison - Wakefield Express
Right, i know, drugs get into prisons. Now if only theyd treat the prisoners like the prisoners they are and do x rays before they come in (like at an airport) cavity searches, random searches. Also guards should be subject to the same as should maitenence workers etc.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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no i didn't get all "tweaked out"...but like i said if i smoked the stuff rather than taking it in the form that i did i probably would. dexedrine is pretty much the same drug as crystal meth. there's a slight difference, but the main differences are that one is illegal and they have different methods of intake. if crystal meth were legal you'd probably see the same type of thing as other prescription drugs and a cleaner, purer product.

dexedrine and vicodin aren't even in the same category, btw. one is a stimulant and one is a depressant. two COMPLETELY different types of drugs.
People do meth to GET TWEAKED OUT. THATS WHY THEY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

i was making an analogy. When youre in pain you don't usually get high off of a painkiller. it brings you to something approaching normal.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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People do meth to GET TWEAKED OUT. THATS WHY THEY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

i was making an analogy. When youre in pain you don't usually get high off of a painkiller. it brings you to something approaching normal.
i'm not really sure what your point is. a poster made the claim that dexedrine and crystal meth are essentially the same drug. you said they aren't, and i gave you reasons why they are.
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