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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Marijuana has many benefits and is a boon to society.

1. It distorts the users perception of the world around him/her and allows him to relax--"Just chill out, man!"
Yes.... that is true. When I smoke, I relax. Mission accomplished

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2. It effectively impairs drivers and slows their reactions during emergency situations, resulting in more injuries and fatalities than we might otherwise achieve. "Just stack the bodies over here, Milton."
I guess much in the same way that ALL people who drink, drive drunk. All people who smoke pot are just waiting to get behind the wheel of a car. Sometimes I won't even drive unless I am high.

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3. It diverts household money away from such useless pursuits as feeding children, education, clothing, and soap, and allows these funds to be spent producing great clouds of carbon-based pollutant. "Cough! Cough! Damn that's good!"
Good try Cletus. Our pot money is budgeted into our "Entertainment" money. Not our grocery money. I have NEVER taken food off my table to get weed. Again, budget my man... budget.

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t provides an income for Mexican bandits and border smugglers, who might otherwise turn to more serious crime, like banking.
If it were legal and taxed, it would put these people out of business, create jobs, and tax revenue. But, let's not get specific with the details.

How rich was Al Capone from the prohibition of alcohol? How rich were the gangsters when alcohol was legal again and was not a black market commodity?

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ives politicians something to talk about when they have just demonstrated their inability to deal with the important challenges facing the nation, state, community. "We must banish the evil WEED from our midst! That's our most important job!"
If it were legal, they would just find something else to distract us.

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rovides endless hours of amusement to participants in on-line discussion groups, who would otherwise be challenged to find solutions to real problems.
It's nice that you find amusement in people trying to change unjust laws.

High five on that.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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The US government doesn't want or need the billions in tax revenue that legalization would generate each and every year ?


have to be careful with that. if you price it too high then the black market will prevail. reference cigarettes in NYC as an example.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Marijuana has many benefits and is a boon to society.

1. It distorts the users perception of the world around him/her and allows him to relax--"Just chill out, man!"
Irrelevant. Innumerable substances, including alcohol, do the same thing.
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2. It effectively impairs drivers and slows their reactions during emergency situations, resulting in more injuries and fatalities than we might otherwise achieve. "Just stack the bodies over here, Milton."
Irrelevant. It is already illegal, in every state, to drive while impaired by any chemical substance. And if you think people aren't already driving while stoned, you're fooling yourself.
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3. It diverts household money away from such useless pursuits as feeding children, education, clothing, and soap, and allows these funds to be spent producing great clouds of carbon-based pollutant. "Cough! Cough! Damn that's good!"
Irrelevant. People waste money on almost anything if their decision to spend it in the first place was a bad one.
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4. It provides an income for Mexican bandits and border smugglers, who might otherwise turn to more serious crime, like banking.
Irrelevant. Make it legal and banditry disappears overnight.
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5. It gives politicians something to talk about when they have just demonstrated their inability to deal with the important challenges facing the nation, state, community. "We must banish the evil WEED from our midst! That's our most important job!"
Quite true.
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6. It provides endless hours of amusement to participants in on-line discussion groups, who would otherwise be challenged to find solutions to real problems.
The WOD, with it's anchor, the illegalization of MJ, is a very, very real problem. You seem to want to make light of that.

Pity.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Irrelevant. Innumerable substances, including alcohol, do the same thing.

Irrelevant. It is already illegal, in every state, to drive while impaired by any chemical substance. And if you think people aren't already driving while stoned, you're fooling yourself.

Irrelevant. People waste money on almost anything if their decision to spend it in the first place was a bad one.

Irrelevant. Make it legal and banditry disappears overnight.

Quite true.

The WOD, with it's anchor, the illegalization of MJ, is a very, very real problem. You seem to want to make light of that.

Pity.
I make light of the fact that people who want to be regarded as serious contributors to this forum, if not to society itself, want to have unrestricted access to substances that screw up their brains.

I regret that you can't handle the criticism.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I make light of the fact that people who want to be regarded as serious contributors to this forum, if not to society itself, want to have unrestricted access to substances that screw up their brains.
Have a drink, on me.
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I regret that you can't handle the criticism.
You're not criticizing me, I partake of no intoxicants. I, conversely was dismantling your arguments.

Sorry you can't handle that.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I make light of the fact that people who want to be regarded as serious contributors to this forum, if not to society itself, want to have unrestricted access to substances that screw up their brains.
Like alcohol?

I have smoked for years. I have a college education, I work, I take care of my family and I pay my bills. I do everything that I am supposed to do. I smoke occasionally. Socially. Like most people drink. Some people like to drink a couple glasses of wine or a couple beers, I like to take a hit off the bowl.

Do you have any links to provide that shows that marijuana "screws up your brain"? I could show you plenty on the negative effects of alcohol. But, again, that is YOUR drug of choice, so it's ok. Let's not talk about the dangers of LEGAL alcohol.

With the problems attributed to alcohol, anyone who drinks and then talks about the evils of marijuana is a hypocrite who has nothing to add to the discussion.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I make light of the fact that people who want to be regarded as serious contributors to this forum, if not to society itself, want to have unrestricted access to substances that screw up their brains.

I regret that you can't handle the criticism.
Perhaps it's more that they want their tax dollars not to be spent futilely on trying to prevent others from having that access.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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2. It effectively impairs drivers and slows their reactions during emergency situations, resulting in more injuries and fatalities than we might otherwise achieve. "Just stack the bodies over here, Milton."
You might be surprised to learn that non-anecdotal evidence to support this doesn't really exist.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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You might be surprised to learn that non-anecdotal evidence to support this doesn't really exist.
There is actually a long-squashed California Highway Patrol study that showed that those under the influence of MJ were better drivers than those that weren't.

I'll look for it.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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There is actually a long-squashed California Highway Patrol study that showed that those under the influence of MJ were better drivers than those that weren't.

I'll look for it.


considering that based on my onee week's experience on Cali freeways had everyone going at least 80, maybe the stoners going 60 would be safer.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Seen 'em

That is why I believe that people who believe the government about the WOD are dolts.
:-)

I'd say people who believe the government . . . about anything . . . are dolts.

I believe it stays illegal cuz the majority of people still don't like it. It's that simple. It's a very basic prejudice. They drink alcohol. Pretty much everyone they know drinks alcohol. Therefore they see all the reasons alcohol should stay legal.

They don't smoke pot. They don't like pot. They don't want their kids to smoke pot. Therefore it should be illegal. That's the reasoning. Pure, simple, oldest rule there is. "People shouldn't do things that are too different from what I do". And then they pass laws against it. Same reason it was once illegal to be gay.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Like alcohol?

I have smoked for years. I have a college education, I work, I take care of my family and I pay my bills. I do everything that I am supposed to do. I smoke occasionally. Socially. Like most people drink. Some people like to drink a couple glasses of wine or a couple beers, I like to take a hit off the bowl.

Do you have any links to provide that shows that marijuana "screws up your brain"? I could show you plenty on the negative effects of alcohol. But, again, that is YOUR drug of choice, so it's ok. Let's not talk about the dangers of LEGAL alcohol.

With the problems attributed to alcohol, anyone who drinks and then talks about the evils of marijuana is a hypocrite who has nothing to add to the discussion.
I don't drink, Melanie. Does that clear me of the hypocrisy charge?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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2. It effectively impairs drivers and slows their reactions during emergency situations, resulting in more injuries and fatalities than we might otherwise achieve. "Just stack the bodies over here, Milton."
Um, I feel safer in cars with drivers who are high than drivers who are tipsy or even hammered, but let's for one moment assume you're right. There is a difference between smoking hash where you're not going to harm anyone and doing something where you put others in danger.*

*Allegedly. Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

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3. It diverts household money away from such useless pursuits as feeding children, education, clothing, and soap, and allows these funds to be spent producing great clouds of carbon-based pollutant. "Cough! Cough! Damn that's good!"
"OMG! People are using their own money for things of which I disapprove! I must stop being buying anything I don't consider essential and they must ask my permission!"

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4. It provides an income for Mexican bandits and border smugglers, who might otherwise turn to more serious crime, like banking.
What? This is a piss take, right?
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I make light of the fact that people who want to be regarded as serious contributors to this forum, if not to society itself, want to have unrestricted access to substances that screw up their brains.
cite evidence that supports this argument.

are you likewise against alcohol?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I don't drink, Melanie. Does that clear me of the hypocrisy charge?
it does but it brings about a brand new "lame" charge that's going to be much harder to shake.
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