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Old 06-16-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Neglected kids/people killed by DUIs/huge drain on our healthcare/etc...

Ah...but ya'll would be naive enough to divorce the drug use from the actions caused by it. There is no point debating it. The most casual of casual observers can see it. But, by all means, please continue immature vices. Continue victimizing the country with higher insurance rates and increased taxes and harming others in you pursuit of silly self centered gratification. The fact that people fight so passionately over the use of these things while not caring about other more important issues (like why the character of so many feel the need to use drugs as a crutch) is comical.
And why is it any of your damn business? SC ruled theres such a thing as a right to privacy. What i do in my own home (barring murder, theft and rape/assault) is my own fucking business.
Legalizing drugs would take it out of the black market and decrease a lot of crime. Thats a fact jack.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Yep, I can do w/o. Sometimes I drink it when others pay for it to be polite, but I probably drink about 15 times an entire year so I could easily do w/o. If a alcohol prohibition came back I'd shrug and move on. It's really just not important. Use your money for something more productive. You could donate it to charity or something.

Thats your choice. why do you begrudge others their choices?
Hate to break this to ya bud but youre a drug user, cause alcohol is a drug. Welcome to the family
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Old 06-16-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Thats your choice. why do you begrudge others their choices?
Hate to break this to ya bud but youre a drug user, cause alcohol is a drug. Welcome to the family
Yep, and every time I take a drink I'm taking a selfish risk that increases my chance to do something that I normally wouldn't do. It's pretty irresponsible of me, to be honest. Maybe I'll stop drinking all together. It really is a silly vice for the immature. It's really a disfunctional family, is it not?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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And why is it any of your damn business? SC ruled theres such a thing as a right to privacy. What i do in my own home (barring murder, theft and rape/assault) is my own fucking business.
Legalizing drugs would take it out of the black market and decrease a lot of crime. Thats a fact jack.
Well..when your actions cost me tax dollars and higher insurance rates it is my business. Sorry to break it to you.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Yep, and every time I take a drink I'm taking a selfish risk that increases my chance to do something that I normally wouldn't do. It's pretty irresponsible of me, to be honest. Maybe I'll stop drinking all together. It really is a silly vice for the immature. It's really a disfunctional family, is it not?
It may be at that. Again i ask you what business it is of yours what i do as long as i harm no others?
We have laws in place to punish (rather severely) people who drink and drive or provide to minors or are drunk in public etc. That shit can carry over to drug use as well. Hell make it even stiffer of a penalty.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Well..when your actions cost me tax dollars and higher insurance rates it is my business. Sorry to break it to you.
drinking PROVIDES you with tax dollars dude. ALot of it.

Legalizing marijuana and taxing it at the same rate as alcohol would provide something like 90 billion in revenue (40 billion not being spent on enforcing marijuana laws we currently have 50 billion straight revenue).

And thats just pot.

Higher insurance rates: guess we should outlaw fatty foods and fast cars then. its really a vice for the immature don't you think?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Yep, I can do w/o. Sometimes I drink it when others pay for it to be polite, but I probably drink about 15 times an entire year so I could easily do w/o. If a alcohol prohibition came back I'd shrug and move on. It's really just not important. Use your money for something more productive. You could donate it to charity or something.
i also hope you don't like to go skiing or skydiving or to eat fast food. those are also dangerous activities that we could easily do without. they're really just not important. we should probably spend our money on something more productive like donating to charities.
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drinking PROVIDES you with tax dollars dude. ALot of it.

Legalizing marijuana and taxing it at the same rate as alcohol would provide something like 90 billion in revenue (40 billion not being spent on enforcing marijuana laws we currently have 50 billion straight revenue).

And thats just pot.

Higher insurance rates: guess we should outlaw fatty foods and fast cars then. its really a vice for the immature don't you think?
The cost of extra healthcare provided to smoking related diseases and such outstrip what we get from them in taxes.
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The cost of extra healthcare provided to smoking related diseases and such outstrip what we get from them in taxes.
Smoking pot doesn't cause cancer. Or didn't you know that?


People pay for their own healthcare. If they don't, maybe you should get the sytem changed. Or increase the tax. or both.

And you still haven't answered my question. Why is it any of your damn business?


And since we're talking about useless vices, what about porn, fast cars, sports, caffeine, and fatty foods? Should we outlaw all of those too?
Give me the Constitutional justification for outlawing it while youre at it would you?
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The cost of extra healthcare provided to smoking related diseases and such outstrip what we get from them in taxes.
what healthcare costs are associated with marijuana use? where did you find these figures?
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Right but heres the hitch: No politician will touch it because its political suicide. Because while there is alot of support, its still not a majority just yet. Its close, but no cigar. To pass a bill into law requires congresscritters to support it. For congresscritters to support it it has to be advantageous politically. Most don't believe that it is.
How about the simple reason enumerated in our own Constitution?

Shouldn't the fact that the general government of the Union no longer has any delegated authority to Prohibit commerce among the several States of the Union be up for a discussion of morals or ethics, and how our elected representatives to government are not required to pass any religious morals test, but are instead given free reign on affirmative action regarding morals and public policy?
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How about the simple reason enumerated in our own Constitution?

Shouldn't the fact that the general government of the Union no longer has any delegated authority to Prohibit commerce among the several States of the Union be up for a discussion of morals or ethics, and how our elected representatives to government are not required to pass any religious morals test, but are instead given free reign on affirmative action regarding morals and public policy?
again dan, can you convince them thats what it means? If you can then by all means do. First pack of joints is on me.

However i don't hold out much hope. you need a bunch of people to believe what you believe to get their attention. can you do that?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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The cost of extra healthcare provided to smoking related diseases and such outstrip what we get from them in taxes.
California could be getting about one billion a year from pot sales alone. Decreasing enforcement costs could result in additional costs savings to the individual consumer of statism.

Anyone who purchases recreational drugs expect to be taxed on those vices to make up for any budget shortfalls. I don't have a problem paying a fifty percent tax rate on pot. It would still be a better deal than I can get on the black market, and I could be a better patriot to our tax-short, state-republic.

Why don't our elected representatives to government share those same morals and ethics with our same Constitution?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Drugs use being a victomless crime is a fallacy.
Responsible drug use is a victimless crime, as is responsible alcohol use.

Alcohol causes more pain and suffering than ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS COMBINED.

To allow alcohol to be legal, but make some drugs illegal is hypocritical.

This is from Canada, but was quicker to find then the stats from the US.....

OBJECTIVES: This study estimated morbidity and mortality attributable to substance abuse in Canada. METHODS: Pooled estimates of relative risk were used to calculate etiologic fractions by age, gender, and province for 91 causes of disease or death attributable to alcohol, tobacco, or illicit drugs. RESULTS: There were 33,498 deaths and 208,095 hospitalizations attributed to tobacco, 6701 deaths and 86,076 hospitalizations due to alcohol, and 732 deaths and 7095 hospitalizations due to illicit drugs in 1992. CONCLUSIONS: Substance abuse exacts a considerable toll on Canadian society in terms of morbidity and mortality, accounting for 21% of deaths, 23% of years of potential life lost, and 8% of hospitalizations.

Of course, this doesn't count every child that is abused, or wife that is abused, or bar fight, or many of the other problems associated with alcohol use.

Do drugs cause pain and suffering? Yes, but it is a drop in the bucked compared to the pain and suffering caused by alcohol. To allow alcohol an exemption because it is "ingrained" in our culture, while making some drugs illegal, is foolish, unfair, unjust and unconstitutional.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Neglected kids/people killed by DUIs/huge drain on our healthcare/etc...

Ah...but ya'll would be naive enough to divorce the drug use from the actions caused by it. There is no point debating it. The most casual of casual observers can see it. But, by all means, please continue immature vices. Continue victimizing the country with higher insurance rates and increased taxes and harming others in you pursuit of silly self centered gratification. The fact that people fight so passionately over the use of these things while not caring about other more important issues (like why the character of so many feel the need to use drugs as a crutch) is comical.
NEWSFLASH: THE WAR ON DRUGS HAS CAUSED MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING THAN THE DRUGS THEMSELVES COULD EVER CAUSE.

But feel free to speak about a topic you know little to nothing about.
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