Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

You know, you do ramble, and I've likely studied this far deeper than you and deal with the sociological/criminal aspects of this issue every night I go to work.

Quite simply, you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by dave_x

I'm not going to sit here and do combat. You have stated that marijuana is only slightly more potent than it was 20 years ago, when it is officially 8 to 20 times stronger than it was 20 years ago. Single Convention on Narcotics & the Convention on Psychotropic Substances recently concluded with the governments of 112 countries that marijuana harms their citizens, either by the slave plantations such as Mexico has, or because of the direction of the nation as a whole.
The medical problems that are caused by cigarettes and alcohol are far greater than the taxes they generate. This is not going to be different with marijuana
Here are some of the folks that want this stuff legal.
The Lindesmith Center,
Chip Berlet
High times
normal
Cato Institute
George Soros
I'm not going to go through every single background of these individuals, but if you are in support of them, you can't possible know their motives for legalization.
I don't usually do this, but this time I think it might be OK Study this report
"On the Legalization — or Not — of Marijuana." New York Times, Freakenomics. October 30, 2007 - "The reason that marijuana is, and should remain, illegal is that the drug itself is harmful to the individual and to the community. This is the assessment of the medical and the law enforcement community. Increasingly, this is the assessment of young people as well, since marijuana use has plummeted by 25 percent over the past five years. Young people apparently agree with Australian researchers, who recently characterized marijuana, based on their comparative studies of youths who used versus those who did not, as 'the drug for life’s losers.' Removing legal penalties would only make this drug more accessible, its use more prevalent, and its damage more widespread, and would swell the number of those at risk for becoming 'life’s losers.'"
Then you bring in the cancer study. You guys are a little less than honest. You aren't trying to get pot legal because it has medicinal qualities. None of you.
By the way Norin Radd, can you give me a single law protecting our citizens that just dropped out of the sky? They almost all have come about because of experiences of people. So the only danger of carcinogens is cancer?
I leave you guys with this comment:
You guys have never launched a citizens movement to the magnitude that would be needed, because you can't. I'm not going to continue this banter, with studies being quoted that have no proof.
Case in point: I have seen several references to NIDA have you seen this one? NIDA - Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse
I've mentioned people like Scott Pierce, and the only references to it by other people was to show proof they never even bothered to actually try and see what I was talking about. billywitchdr, you never looked up anything. Scott pierce was the president of EF Hutton when he was hauled into court for laundering money. He happens to be Barbara Bush's brother. He was fined a puny $500,000 for the millions he made off of laundering money. He never served a day in jail.
You guys aren't going to get this stuff legalized. You would have to have an organized movement. You don't have the drive. Pot took it from you!
See you guys! You will not win!

Originally Posted by dave_x

Typical response from people who would love to see a country fall apart. You took nothing down.
You can claim that gravity doesn't exist, but that does not make it true. Making claims prove nothing.
I did site studies and you folks ignored them. What I did not do, was insult you.
If I don't pee my pants, throw fits and spew insults you people don't seem to be able to follow anything I say. For that reason, I don't think I fit in here. I guess this is just proof that insulting ones character is evidence of crippled arguments.
Bye.

Originally Posted by Retro Fit

Contrary to your belief, the country is falling apart and I'm not loving it. I've followed all that you've said. Do you believe that I didn't pay attention to you because I still cannot agree with your argument?....no.... I would apologize for being rather insulting to you in my earlier posts, but I have little sympathy for people like you, thus I don't feel the need to coddle you nor be considerate of your offensive pretzel logic. As long as people like you feel the need to share your views publicly, people like me will be right there to give you their views. You have to be a little thick skinned here or you won't last.

Originally Posted by dave_x

Typical response from people who would love to see a country fall apart. You took nothing down.
You can claim that gravity doesn't exist, but that does not make it true. Making claims prove nothing.
I did site studies and you folks ignored them. What I did not do, was insult you.
If I don't pee my pants, throw fits and spew insults you people don't seem to be able to follow anything I say. For that reason, I don't think I fit in here. I guess this is just proof that insulting ones character is evidence of crippled arguments.
Bye.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I'm beginning to wonder if you even enforce the law. That could be one big problem right there...apathy to our laws among the law enforcers.

Originally Posted by dave_x

Why do people want to keep pot illegal?

Originally Posted by dave_x

Why in the hell, do you think people like me do not want to legalize pot? By tyhe way, You could never CODDLE me!
Think about it! Why do people want to keep pot illegal? Are you folks so narrow minded, that you think we all just want to keep your little fuzzy heads clear for our perfect world? What could we possible profit from keeping you from destroying your minds? Since you all refuse to accept scientific study that has shown this to be happening to you. Are you guys so childish, that you think we all are just trying to get in your way? Do you think we love our prison system? Do you really think we all sit in front of mirrors and praise ourselves while we contemplate taking away your rights? HAS IT EVER OCCURED TO YOU, THAT YOU MIGHT QUITE POSSIBLY BENIFIT FROM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE DONT WANT POT TO BE LEGAL? Do you really care? Is anyone allowed in your tiny world if they want pot to disappear? Have you ever asked youself why we would want that? How could we possibly profit from this action? Don't you think there mifght just be something else? Do you sterio type every single person you talk to? Paragraphs be damned! You are not listening to me, because you do not want to. You shut people out, and then make fun oif them. Keep your child psychology to yourself. You couldn't hurt my feelings if you made the effort with your entire focus.
I don't want pot to be legal. But I respect you, and your opinion. Not only do you not respect anyone elses, you can't even listen. I find this everywhere I go. People who want cannibus to be legal, will get in your face and become a complete fascist if you disagree. I have seen it hundreds of times.
I made reference to NIDA, BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID! You had to throw this out with insults as well. I made an attempt at a dialogue, because I know you guys do not accept any of the modern day science. There are many areas where we would agree on that. You guys do not care. You aren't looking for discussion, because you want to attack. Thats all.
Again, keep your child psychology to yourself. You aren't politically sharp enough to offend me.

Originally Posted by dave_x

People who want cannibus to be legal, will get in your face and become a complete fascist if you disagree. I have seen it hundreds of times.