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Old 06-19-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Part of the issue, in my opinion, is that there are no religious morals test for public office. Therefore, there are no true witness bearing tests for politicians claiming morals concerning any laws pursuant to our Constitution.

Thus, one explanation why any good fallacy will work for the general warfare and common offense, but no reason is good enough for the general Welfare of the United States.
thats unconstitutional in the extreme. Religious tests for government officials are SPECIFICALLY forbidden.
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Old 06-19-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Dude, take a cold shower or something. The creepy-meter is hitting the red zone.
still a bit hurt over me calling you out big time, i see.
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Old 06-19-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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thats unconstitutional in the extreme. Religious tests for government officials are SPECIFICALLY forbidden.
It almost makes a reasonable person think that laws concerning Religion were what our Founding Fathers were trying establish privileges and immunities for.
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Old 06-19-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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It almost makes a reasonable person think that laws concerning Religion were what our Founding Fathers were trying establish privileges and immunities for.
Dude, you are like the King of obtuse.

Do you do this intentionally, or did you grow up in the shadow of a toxic landfill?
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Old 06-20-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

In the end the question remains. Do we want to allow someone other then ourselves dictate what we do behind closed doors? Responsible independent adults will say "no". Irresponsible adults who need the government to complete their World and need the government to financially carry them from cradle to grave have given up their independence anyway, so here is what I propose: A new bill (since they love writing new bills so much in Washington) that retains the old "drug war" mentality and penalties, but only for those who need Federal assistance to live. They can call it the "My house, my rules" bill. So, as long as the Federal government foots your tab and you live under the wing of the federal government you will have to live by the governments drug rules. But, as soon as you "move out" so to speak, when you become a responsible adult and move out from under the federal wing and start paying your own bills, with proof of insurance....then those drug laws will not apply to you.
A bill such as this will satisfy everyone. Responsible independent adults will be allowed to BE "Responsible independent adults" and the Federal government will still have their "children who live by their rules while they live under their roof"......can I get a co-sponsor?
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Old 06-20-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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In the end the question remains. Do we want to allow someone other then ourselves dictate what we do behind closed doors? Responsible independent adults will say "no". Irresponsible adults who need the government to complete their World and need the government to financially carry them from cradle to grave have given up their independence anyway, so here is what I propose: A new bill (since they love writing new bills so much in Washington) that retains the old "drug war" mentality and penalties, but only for those who need Federal assistance to live. They can call it the "My house, my rules" bill. So, as long as the Federal government foots your tab and you live under the wing of the federal government you will have to live by the governments drug rules. But, as soon as you "move out" so to speak, when you become a responsible adult and move out from under the federal wing and start paying your own bills, with proof of insurance....then those drug laws will not apply to you.
A bill such as this will satisfy everyone. Responsible independent adults will be allowed to BE "Responsible independent adults" and the Federal government will still have their "children who live by their rules while they live under their roof"......can I get a co-sponsor?
*Senator MeadHallPirate walks up and seconds this bill*

aye aye Retro Fit, i likes this solution.

aye.

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Old 06-20-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

Thank you Senator MeadHallPirate..any other sponsors?
This bill will mean justice and freedom for responsible adults in our lifetime! If you believe in justice and if you believe in freedom to let responsible adults live their own lives, then you must back this bill. (any similarities of the last paragraph to any lyrics by The Who is completely accidental)
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Old 06-20-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

I like that it's illegal, if for no other reason than it tends to get idiot drug addict libs all spun up, and that's funny.

Yeah, I know it's not a good reason, but it's a reason, and it makes me chuckle...
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Old 06-20-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I like that it's illegal, if for no other reason than it tends to get idiot drug addict libs all spun up, and that's funny.

Yeah, I know it's not a good reason, but it's a reason, and it makes me chuckle...
Gets alot of cons and libertarians wound up too, that make you chuckle?
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Gets alot of cons and libertarians wound up too, that make you chuckle?
Kinda'...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I like that it's illegal, if for no other reason than it tends to get idiot drug addict libs all spun up, and that's funny.
You got any kids Steve? Wouldn't it be funny if he/she bought a used car that the previous owner had lost a baggie of weed in the back seat, then your Son/Daughter gets pulled over, the car searched and they are taken to jail, marked as a felon and lose there job? Wouldn't that be a hoot?......Hemp laws and their lathered up proponents would be would be funny if these laws didn't ruin so many innocent lives.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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You got any kids Steve? Wouldn't it be funny if he/she bought a used car that the previous owner had lost a baggie of weed in the back seat, then your Son/Daughter gets pulled over, the car searched and they are taken to jail, marked as a felon and lose there job? Wouldn't that be a hoot?......Hemp laws and their lathered up proponents would be would be funny if these laws didn't ruin so many innocent lives.
Hey, guess what, smart guy: I've taken every used car I've bought over the years to a local police department for screening. They offer a free search, with a dog, of the car. The last three cars my daughter has owned have been thorugh it.

If dope is found, it's confiscated, and the owner is not held liable for it. It's something that needs to be done within, if I recall, the first week of ownership, but my understanding is that other police departments offer this, as well.

So, you see, your scenario would be, at best, ridiculously unlikely...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Hey, guess what, smart guy: I've taken every used car I've bought over the years to a local police department for screening. They offer a free search, with a dog, of the car. The last three cars my daughter has owned have been thorugh it.

If dope is found, it's confiscated, and the owner is not held liable for it. It's something that needs to be done within, if I recall, the first week of ownership, but my understanding is that other police departments offer this, as well.

So, you see, your scenario would be, at best, ridiculously unlikely...
We-he-hell aren't you the conscience consumer. Wouldn't it be grand if everyone who buys a used car had the ability to look into the future as you? That would just be the most fun.
Now, given that you have proven yourself to be so "one" with your surroundings, I find it hard to believe that you missed the point I was trying to make.....make a note of it. You can have a good chuckle later while watching "cops" on fox.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Hey, guess what, smart guy: I've taken every used car I've bought over the years to a local police department for screening. They offer a free search, with a dog, of the car. The last three cars my daughter has owned have been thorugh it.

If dope is found, it's confiscated, and the owner is not held liable for it. It's something that needs to be done within, if I recall, the first week of ownership, but my understanding is that other police departments offer this, as well.

So, you see, your scenario would be, at best, ridiculously unlikely...
It is unlikely, but here is an example of an abomination that was made possible because of pathetic sheep like you who do not care about what is right, or wrong.

There was a story about a woman, I can't find ti right now, but a woman had been pulled over and a hidden compartment was found in her car. There was NOTHING in the compartment, but the cops used the hidden compartment as an excuse to confiscate the car anyways. Now, the woman is forced to PROVE HER INNOCENCE. The car was not really worth the fight this woman would have had to go through to get the car back, so she gave up without a fight. But this is funny to you?

Have you ever looked at all the innocent people who have died in no-knock drug raids? No, of course you haven't.

SOME of the people who have died in botched drug raids can be found here.....

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

Do you know that innocent people have died at botched drug raids where the police had the WRONG ADDRESS? No, of course you don't.

Ever done a search on "BOTCHED DRUG RAIDS? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "COPS ADMIT PLANTING EVIDENCE"? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "COPS ADMIT TO PERJURY"? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "DRUG WAR VICTIMS"? No, of course you haven't.

Here is just one example of a police force that is out of control.........

The South Florida Impact Task Force, operating out of Coral Gables, has been a rousing success by drug war standards. Impact's 50 officers, detailed from state and local law enforcement agencies, have seized more than $140 million in suspect funds and confiscated 30 tons of cocaine and almost seven tons of marijuana.

Impact officers have arrested 532 people and been responsible for 71 deportations since the task force came into being in 1993.

The task force has pumped millions of dollars in seized funds into the accounts of participating police agencies. Drug czar Barry McCaffrey even cited it as an example of effective law enforcement.

But not everyone is so pleased. Its critics include the DEA, the Justice Department, and law enforcement experts, as well as defense attorneys and civil libertarians. The critics also include legitimate businessmen who had the misfortune to encounter the Impact Task Force:

* Penn Industries, a family-run Oklahoma City auto parts distributor had $78,000 in its bank accounts seized after Impact noticed Penn's sole Colombian customer had used a money exchange to deposit $2,500 in Penn's account. Impact claimed the money was profits from illegal drug deals. After two months of negotiations and $13,000 in legal fees, Penn got its money back -- except for $3,000.
* In 1998, Hernon Manufacturing of Orlando, an epoxy manufacturer, had $30,000 seized from its bank accounts after Impact again found a transaction with a lone Colombian client. The money, less $6,000 for Impact's "legal fees," was returned four months later.
* That same year, Omega Medical Instruments, a small medical equipment supplier in Wilmington, NC, had its accounts seized as well. Impact had found a cash deposit from a Colombian client. Most of the funds were returned early this year.

"There was no due process," Penn's Clay Waterman told US News. "Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?"

Asset Forfeiture: Florida Task Force So Out of Control Even the Feds are Embarrassed

PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOT DESERVE FREEDOM AND YO DO NOT DESERVE TO BE AN AMERICAN.

PERIOD.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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It is unlikely, but here is an example of an abomination that was made possible because of pathetic sheep like you who do not care about what is right, or wrong.

There was a story about a woman, I can't find ti right now, but a woman had been pulled over and a hidden compartment was found in her car. There was NOTHING in the compartment, but the cops used the hidden compartment as an excuse to confiscate the car anyways. Now, the woman is forced to PROVE HER INNOCENCE. The car was not really worth the fight this woman would have had to go through to get the car back, so she gave up without a fight. But this is funny to you?

Have you ever looked at all the innocent people who have died in no-knock drug raids? No, of course you haven't.

SOME of the people who have died in botched drug raids can be found here.....

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

Do you know that innocent people have died at botched drug raids where the police had the WRONG ADDRESS? No, of course you don't.

Ever done a search on "BOTCHED DRUG RAIDS? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "COPS ADMIT PLANTING EVIDENCE"? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "COPS ADMIT TO PERJURY"? No, of course you haven't.

Ever done a search on "DRUG WAR VICTIMS"? No, of course you haven't.

Here is just one example of a police force that is out of control.........

The South Florida Impact Task Force, operating out of Coral Gables, has been a rousing success by drug war standards. Impact's 50 officers, detailed from state and local law enforcement agencies, have seized more than $140 million in suspect funds and confiscated 30 tons of cocaine and almost seven tons of marijuana.

Impact officers have arrested 532 people and been responsible for 71 deportations since the task force came into being in 1993.

The task force has pumped millions of dollars in seized funds into the accounts of participating police agencies. Drug czar Barry McCaffrey even cited it as an example of effective law enforcement.

But not everyone is so pleased. Its critics include the DEA, the Justice Department, and law enforcement experts, as well as defense attorneys and civil libertarians. The critics also include legitimate businessmen who had the misfortune to encounter the Impact Task Force:

* Penn Industries, a family-run Oklahoma City auto parts distributor had $78,000 in its bank accounts seized after Impact noticed Penn's sole Colombian customer had used a money exchange to deposit $2,500 in Penn's account. Impact claimed the money was profits from illegal drug deals. After two months of negotiations and $13,000 in legal fees, Penn got its money back -- except for $3,000.
* In 1998, Hernon Manufacturing of Orlando, an epoxy manufacturer, had $30,000 seized from its bank accounts after Impact again found a transaction with a lone Colombian client. The money, less $6,000 for Impact's "legal fees," was returned four months later.
* That same year, Omega Medical Instruments, a small medical equipment supplier in Wilmington, NC, had its accounts seized as well. Impact had found a cash deposit from a Colombian client. Most of the funds were returned early this year.

"There was no due process," Penn's Clay Waterman told US News. "Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?"

Asset Forfeiture: Florida Task Force So Out of Control Even the Feds are Embarrassed

PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOT DESERVE FREEDOM AND YO DO NOT DESERVE TO BE AN AMERICAN.

PERIOD.
So, because I avail myself of a service that my local police department offers, I don't deserve freedom or to be an American?

That's fucked up, and nothing in that immature little panty-twisted hissy fit backs up your position...
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