This is funny. You and Noggin Rodd want to be critical of me because I take advantage of something that local law enforcement offers people who live here.

How is that bad?

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Steve, seriously, it is commendable that you thought enough outside the box to be able to see the possibility of such a problem arising when purchasing a used vehicle....But...You completely overlooked the fact that the drug war mentality offers up far to many opportunities for injustice to reign. My little scenario is just one infinitesimal way that innocent people could be subjected to the absolute horror that befalls everyone subjected to U.S. drug prosecution. That, and your aloof cavalier attitude about it, as if it was some kind of joke for your amusement, is absolute proof that you truly could give a shit less about any suffering or injustice just as long as it does not affect you.
And that is why I feel the need to belittle you just as much as I possibly can because I feel it is my duty to humanity to somehow show you the error of your ways.
Your complacent self serving attitude, which is shared by so very many fat, elitist arrogant Americans is the only thing that keeps these fucked up laws from dying. And all people would really have to do is just start caring a little more about the World they are going to leave for prosperity, for their kids to start initiating a real change for the better. .........Without this change in attitude I fear for ...the worst.

There could be a "benefit of the doubt" clause in the law that should take care of the vast majority of problems like that. Basically the law would say that all first offenses in which there is reasonable doubt as to the suspect being innocent it gets recorded and no punitive actions taken. This would not apply to people sitting around using drugs or having a giant pile of them right there on a table that they are about to sell, etc.

The thing is I do have kids and I want them to grow up in a better situation than I have. I do not want them confused as to the harmful effects of drugs. Those of you who think there is no problem with it are living in a pipe-dream...probably the same pipe that you just smoked from. Drugs are harmful, the easy solution is not to do them. I really don't see what is so hard here, seriously. I will never be as naive as those who try to act as if drug use is a victimless crime. It's always sad when people are unable to see the pain they are causing to those around them that actually care.

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Just as long as you give up coffee, alcohol, tobacco, painkillers, etc...

I'm guessing there are some drugs that you won't give up, which leads to just one conclusion: you only want the drugs you like to be legal. Fuck everyone else. They can just stop using them which is so easy!

I could do w/o all of those. Painkillers are proscribed by doctors if you have them w/o a proscription then there is a problem. Regardless this post is just a smokescreen that has no place in a valid discussion. Coffee? Really? Is that all you can come up with? Could you please link to me some studies that have shown people addicted to coffee go out and become prostitutes, thieves, murderers, abusers, etc. that have been caused by coffee? Don't be silly. I'm a big boy and your smoke screen only makes sense because it's made out of the stuff you're smoking.

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You'd agree to go to prison for a couple of years for having Advil in your possession?Those things occur because the illegality of drugs like heroin and cocaine drive the prices really high. Hence, you can't collect enough money for a decent amount of it by begging on the street corner like you can for a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of vodka.

Furthermore, could you explain why it is any of your business if people choose to get high? I just don't understand why you feel the need to be so overbearing. You're apparently fine with using the drugs you like, but as soon as someone with a different taste comes along, you want the government to kick their asses on your behalf.

Prostitution is a perfectly legitimate career and prostitution is legal in some parts of the US, showing that it can be less taxing on the workers if legalized (making it easier for prostitutes to complain about rape, for instance). I don't understand why you picked prostitution, by the way, since there are many ways of living that are far more harmful AND legal.

Thieves and murderers can exist for many reasons. One of the main reasons is our use of money. With money, you can steal very large amounts of "goods and services" in the form of paper very quickly. I suppose you want us to get rid of money and go to a system where you get arrested if you have too many valuables?

Abuse can be attributed to any drug, consumable or service. Fast food comes to mind. Will you have us ban that?

Then raise your kids to be drug free. Truth is any public school student, and even some private school students can get drugs by the end of a school day. I know that I could get weed, shrooms, ecstasy, prescription pain pills and even cocaine by the end of a school day without leaving campus and so can your kid. The only drug students seem to have a reasonably hard time obtaining is alcohol, funny how that is. We agree that there is a problem, one that the drug war and drug prohibition can't solve. Show me a objective study of drug policy that says that drug prohibition, decreases drug demand and use, because it doesn't and never will. The harms are not equal, many drugs that are illegal are safer than alcohol and tobacco if standardized. If you want to avoid all the risks of drug use then don't do drugs, the problem with drug prohibition is people are still using the drugs but the activity is now underground and out breaks of violence harm both user and nonuser. Well does the ingestion of a mind altering substance inherently cause harm to another's life, liberty or property? To which you will reply that the family is harmed, which does not explain how the drug war helps families with drug problems. The family member can still get drugs, just they are labeled as a criminal and are now less likely to seek treatment. If drug policy was more sane there could be a systems where drug addicted family members could be put on contracts to seek treatment and remain clean with the support of the rest of the family. Like I said, it would be more successful for a family to put a drug addicted family member on a contract to get clean. It would be far more powerful then a prison sentence where they have to join a prison gang in order to ward off withdraws. You are living in a dream world if you think there are no drugs in prison. Which brings up an interesting conundrum, if we cannot keep drugs out of and stop drug use in a place with high security, maximum surveillance, and where a person's entire day is micromanaged by force, then how the hell are we going to keep everyone on the outside from obtaining and ultimately using them?

Do you have any studies of people becoming prostitutes, thieves, and murderers after using marijuana? MDMA (ecstasy)? Psilocybian mushrooms? LSD? Mescaline? Khat (which is a chewed root with effects similar to caffeine, yet it is illegal.)?

I didn't comment on it one way or another. I sure the fuck never suggested it doesn't happen...

Wow.

Heavy flow day?

Here's the deal: If you were significant enough an entity, maybe I would take the time to address each and every point you may attempt to mkae. But, see, you're not. On a significance scale of 1-10, you're about an .02 to me. You're far too emotional to discuss things rationally, so you and your opinions are easily dismissed.

And I'm guessing "humanity" doesn't really give a fuck what you do. But, if you need to believe that you matter, go for it...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

You make a lot of posts telling people you won't address their points, don't you? Keep up the good work.

Sometimes, people are so dense that they need to have explained to them the fact that, while a point or two that they try to make might be worthy of comment, most of what they have to say is usually nothing more than complete tripe.

My post was clear about not addressing all of his points.

Not surprising you missed that. If you didn't miss that, it's not surprising that you're incapable of comprehending it...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Uhuh. Which is why I said what I said.So what makes you think I "missed" or didn't comprehend that?

Well, for starters, you're Slon...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Ad hominem fallacy from Steve? How unexpected!