Not at all. You fail to comprehend things.

Often...

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Steve,
Back before Automobiles, Horses that pulled carts in the city were prone to distraction and excitability because of the level of activity going on around it.
Then someone figured out that if they limited the horses view to the side (with little pieces of wood attached to the sides of the Horses head called "blinders") the Horse was much easier to control. I don't know why, but that just popped into my head whilst reading your posts.

I don't think Slon fails to comprehend your views, Steve.
By your standards, anyone who doesn't share your beliefs "fails to comprehend things".
I think the problem is that I do understand exactly where your coming from and I find it disturbing, and when I point out the short comings inherent in your philosophy, all you can say is: "you just don't comprehend what I'm saying."

You want the drug war to continue and you think that anyone who thinks it should end is a junkie. Why would you assume that?
Is it because thats how you are Steve?
Is your willpower so weak that you feel without the threat of prosecution you would fall prey to the scourge of drug abuse?

There could be...but there isn't. What would it matter? Once your arrested your marked as a druggie, When the police pull you over and run your drivers licence , they are told of your previous arrests. It doesn't matter to them if you were convicted or not. In their minds, if a fellow officer arrested for something (regardless of whether you beat the charge) you were guilty, period.
What I said was the punishment has become far worse then any adverse affects the drug use might have. The Laws and the punishment is more of a killer then the drug use is. If you applied the drug war mentality to, say, "jaywalking", instead of a ticket they would break your legs give you 1 year in prison and 2 years formal probation.
I knew this was going to happen the day I saw the stocks of private "corrections" companies (agency's the feds use to house inmates) stocks on the rise. The more prisoners, the longer they stay in prison, the more their stocks worth. In my way of thinking, this is completely un-ethical and immoral....I doubt it will bother you though.

can you show me a link that proves Hemp has turned anyone into a prostitute, thief, or murderer. Of coarse you can't. But I will bet you there's a lot of prostitutes, thief's and Murderers that smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and coffee. Are you sure there's no link? (the last sentence was not to be taken seriously.)


Billy, you did a very nice job here. Brilliant.

So, since you don't know me from Adam, that makes my opinions worthless to you? I will admit that at times I do treat my posts more like theater then serious discussion. But, in my view, you are to blame for that because I only get irritatingly obnoxious when I'm dealing with less then open minded people who I see as ethically, morally or intellectually inferior to myself.

Well then you were right to not comment. The nerve of some people!


Oh, you addressed your none addressing. Sheer genius!


You are so misunderstood. I'm so glad you clarified that......... I tell you what, I'm going to weep a bitter tear of sorrow.... just for you. Now ....do you feel better? I hope so....cause I sure do.

*Because Slon, if you had comprehended what he said ....you would of understood your wrong.....See how simple that is?
God bless you, Steve, for lifting me out of the depths of ignorance with your compelling arguments. Masterfully done*

* denotes sarcasm

Yeah man...I just popped some Advil and I'm so high. I can barely walk. You seem to be a little slow on the pickup. Didn't you learn anything from the coffee thing? And now you bring up Advil. Seriously, Slon, you constantly have some of the worst analogies I've ever read. You sometimes make good points and other times completely miss the mark. You're a strange person.

How about some other stuff you can rail against that is oppressive. Why can't I have a fully automatic .50 machine gun in my home? How about some hand grenades? There are tons of things there are laws against you could be crusading against.

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This is a good post, Dr, and you bring up some valid points. I think it's just an example of problems in our society. I'm not sure why so many feel the need to do drugs. Maybe those are the people who haven't evolved from the lower levels of human development. The prison example is a good point if you look at it your way. If you look at it another way it just goes to prove that we aren't doing what we need to to curb violence and drugs. I have written about how we should change prisons to fix some of these problems. A short summery is....

All prisons should be forced labor. And not just easy work. The hours should be long and hard. They should have time to wake up, eat, work, perform hygiene, and then go to bed. If law abiding citizens can go to basic training/boot camp and be subjected to this kind of thing than so can our criminals. This would also save the state a lot of money because you'd be able to use them for all kinds of work and have it done at cost only.

Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is a good first step to reforming our prisons. This is just one example of how our system is broken and why we are losing the war.

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Sure, as soon as you show me a link where I've made the assertion that hemp turns people into prostitutes, thieves, and murderers...

Well, I'm a smoker, I enjoy a beer now and then, and I drink a lot of coffee.

Yet I'm not a prostitute...

Ahhh, finally you comrehend something...

I see. So, it's not your fault that your posts, which are expressing your opinions, are such hissy-fits.

Got it...

You're welcome.

You may go now...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

First off, just because there isn't one doesn't mean there can't be. The solution doesn't have to be one extreme to the next. There are many degrees in between were we could make the situation better.

Second, I don't think you understood my meaning behind the "benefit of the doubt" clause. The point being is that it would not show up on your record because you would have been given the benefit of the doubt. The only way you'd be able to see it is if they arrested you a second time for drugs and took you in for further processing.

This solves your problem.

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I don't want to agree with this blow hard but this is one of his few valid points. Your actions are your own on this forum. I have half a mind that Steve doesn't take any of this seriously and bates people on purpose to break you down. Then other people will be able to come along and pick apart the pieces. I'm not sure if this is true but I've definitely known people to take such strategies.

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No, don't twist this shit around. You said you supported drug prohibition because it makes some people angry and that makes you laugh.

Maybe if one of your loved ones was killed in a botched drug raid you would not be laughing. Maybe if one of your loved ones was sent to prison because a cop planted drugs in their car, you would not be laughing.

This has nothing to do with taking your child's car to the police for a free drug sweep. It has to do with you supporting a policy which has ruined thousands of innocent lives, because it makes you chuckle.

lol

Good post.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

I like to see libs get pissy. Drug laws tend to do that. So, in my sarcastic way, I expressed that.

If you honestly believe that was my argument, then I can't say much for your reasoning skills...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

So, how do you solve the problem of INNOCENT people being killed in no-knock drug raids?

How do you solve the problem of people having their lives ruined by cops who plant drugs on them?

How do you solve the problem of illegals growing pot on federal land?

I have found that most people who support drug prohibition are good people with good hearts who truly care about others. These caring people have realized that drugs destroy many lives, often times including people around the user and not just the user himself.

While it is true that drugs destroy many lives, what is also true is that the war on drugs has destroyed more lives than the drugs themselves could have ever destroyed on their own.

What is worse, is that the war on drugs has taken EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USE AND MADE THOSE PROBLEMS WORSE.

Most of the robberies for drug money, most of the muggings, gang violence, drive by shootings and many of the overdose deaths could have been avoided if drugs were legalized and regulated.

The war on drugs has created contempt for the law, encouraging an entire culture which mocks the law and police. It has led to corrupt police and has corrupted countless government officials. It has led to the creation of huge cartels which place no value on human life and have the blood of many thousands on their hands. It has sent people with drug problems to prison where they learn to be bitter hardened criminals who are unlikely to find a good job after their return to society so it is likely they will continue a life of crime.

The war on drugs has taken a manageable problem and turned it into a fucking nightmare.

Have you ever done any of the searches I asked Steve about?

"Cops admit planting evidence"

"Cops admit planting drugs"

"Cops admit perjury"

"Botched drug raids"

"Drug war victims"

"Asset forfeiture abuse"

"Drug war horror stories"

"Asset forfeiture horror stories"

So, do you support drug prohibition, yes, or no?

So, if someone doesn't have the answers to those question, they don't "get it"?

I don't think a single person here has said those things don't happen...

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No. The answer is simple, legalize drugs. When I say that people "don't get it" in reference to this topic, I am referring to good hearted people who care about others and want to protect those people from themselves. But if history has taught us anything, it has taught us that you can't legislate morality. Responsible drug use is a victimless crime. To make all drugs illegal because some people can't use them responsibly is like making alcohol illegal because some people can't use it responsibly. We all know how alcohol prohibition ended and why, but what people "don't get" is the fact that the problems caused by the war on drugs are the same problems that alcohol prohibition caused. While it didn't take all that long for people to wake up to the failure of alcohol prohibition, it is taing a long time for people to wake up to the fact the war on drugs has been a total failure and has made EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USE WORSE.


BUT HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED TO SEE HOW OFTEN THEY HAPPEN?

HAVE YOU EVER BOTHERED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF?

They're not uncommon.

So what's your point?

Are you getting pissy because you mistakenly thought I was unaware of that, or because I haven't indulged you and your hissy fits?

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