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Old 06-23-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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What happened to individual liberty and our Ninth Amendment?

I wouldn't have a problem giving some adolescent girl some pot if she had menstrual cramps, and I didn't have anything else for the discomfort.

I view that type of moral behavior to be no worse than giving an adolescent some wine or beer with their food.
I thought I had cleared this question up in the last two posts or so. But you just can't answer it can you?
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Old 06-23-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

I must have missed your rebuttal. Can you re-post it?
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Old 06-23-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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"I will assume"
You have made this painfully clear.
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Old 06-23-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Rgr, I will assume that you would not give marijuana to your young kids or some other kids (if they weren't illegal) because you wouldn't want kids doing something that's harmful. I got it.
How is that relevant to legalizing it or not? Must I personally use every single drug, as well as giving it to my hypothetical kids, just because I want it to be legal? I want Nissan and Volvo vehicles to be legal within the US. I also want it to be legal to drive and buy them. However, I would NOT buy and drive such vehicles. Does that make my hypothetical argument to keep the buying/driving of such cars legal invalid?
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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People can't even hang themselves anymore without the press jumping in saying it might have been Auto-erotic asphyxiation. These are truly sad times.
Are you talking about David Carradine? He was naked, so it most likely was auto-erotica.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Oh yeah...great...Leave me here to fend for myself....

So you think you can just sit back and observe without commenting?....we will see...
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

YouTube - Nationwide Universal Drug Testing! Congressman Steve King

Here... maybe we can have this and then all the marijuana prohibitionists will be happy.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

Why not just admit that we wasted trillions on the Cold War and the artificial Wars on abstractions, merely to admit that what we really want, is to become the evil communist empire we claimed to abhor; even with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.


By what latitude of construction is there any specifically enumerated power to Prohibit commerce among the several States since the repeal of that only delegated power?

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

Well, since drugs cross not only state boarders but international ones as well, ummm, yeah.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I must have missed your rebuttal. Can you re-post it?
There was no rebuttal as no one has answered the question I posted w/o trying to change what I was saying.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I'm not really up for reading all 25 pages of this argument at 1.30am (time difference for the UK), but I thought I'd have my say.

Criminalisation of marijuana is unconstitutional under the 9th amendment and the 21st amendment (if you liquidise it!). And a federal ban is unconstitutional under the 10th amendment anyway.
I think you have misunderstood the 9th and 21st amendments.

As far as a federal ban on drugs go, I don't think that the federal government has any power on the subject, except perhaps in regulating whether it travels from one state to another (interstate commerce) or whether it enters the country (although both of those are sketchy). Still, one area where I may differ from some on drug policy is in my belief that states have every right to ban drugs as they so choose. I don't think the federal government has the power given them but the states are not limited in that matter and can do as they so choose.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Are you talking about David Carradine? He was naked, so it most likely was auto-erotica.
Well, that is a claim made by the media. There were reports that his hands were tied behind his back as well, which pretty much puts that theory in the hole as well as suicide.
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Old 06-24-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Well, that is a claim made by the media. There were reports that his hands were tied behind his back as well, which pretty much puts that theory in the hole as well as suicide.
The martial arts underground killed him so he wouldn't let secrets out, like bruce lee and son.
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Old 06-30-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

I admit I havent even begun to comb through every page of this so it has probably been mentioned, but how about the fact that it is a very harmfull substance and really has no real good. Thats at least one reason right?
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Old 06-30-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I admit I havent even begun to comb through every page of this so it has probably been mentioned, but how about the fact that it is a very harmfull substance and really has no real good. Thats at least one reason right?
Marijuana appears to be less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, and those are legal.

http://www.udel.edu/chem/theopold/ch...ug%20chart.gif

Should we go back to Prohibition?

Of course not, it's stupid. This comes down to the idea that it is none of your business if someone gets high or not.

Besides, "has no real good" is subjective and, quite frankly, unsubstantiated. Who are you to say that having fun is not "good?" Watching movies can make people fat (through lack of movement and encouraging a low-activity lifestyle) and doesn't really serve any real purpose. At least, that is the case with some movies. Should we ban them?
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