Where does the authority come from, to Prohibit commerce among the several states, since the repeal of the delegated power to do so?

Fair enough, but the post said come up with one good argument. I'm just saying one good argument is that theres no real good argument for having it around.

I would argue the same is probably true of alcahol and tobacco too, they all do much more harm than good. Now is it worth the resources required to only minimaly curb the usage of it? Thats a completely different question that depends completely on what you personally have at stake, and good arguments can be made both ways.

I will however say I can't take people seriously that pretend that they are somehow doing somethign righteous by smoking it. The actual act of smoking it is simply selfish indulgence, and quite frankly only perpetuates problems.

There really is no good argument why MJ should be illegal. It all comes down to prosecuting people for what they might do or telling people how to properly live their own personal lives.No, they really can't. It's simply none of your business if your neighbor gets drunk or smokes MJ in his bedroom.What problems? Overindulgence in anything can be problematic. Trying to scapegoat MJ is stupid.

that may in fact be true, but since when was selfish indulgence illegal?

this is our point (legalizers in general): You don't have to like it. You don't have to do it. You can look down your nose at us for our "selfish indulgence". Thats fine. But you don't get to just outlaw it because its a selfish indulgence. Because lots of things are a selfish indulgence, like a nice car, or a nice home, or a nice steak, or dinner at a nice restaurant, or nice clothes. the list goes much farther than that, but i think you see the point.
The point is, its no ones business but mine if i want to get stoned.

lol what leisure activity isn't selfish indulgence? and what problems does it perpetuate? you're being vague and not putting forth any decent arguments.

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Chocolate doesn't do any good, we should ban it. Movies, junk food, ban them all, since they don't do any good.

Wow, with logic like that, I will no longer be allowed to play golf. That sucks.

And there are many people that feel this way because they live miserable lives and want to spread their misery to everyone.

Then, by that same token, there's no real good argument for not having it around. Cannabis was here long before prohibition and it will be here long after.

I would rather live in a pre-modern society without prohibition (and the million other laws that only protect the wealth of others) than have what we have now.

At least I could smoke weed while I'm farming/hunting instead of wasting away in a cubicle.

And who's next? Tiger Woods? I'm not paying his welfare after they take away his job!

Hum,..Daydreaming while push in' plow, or spending eternity in a cubic Hell. Give me a minute...

id kinda rather live in a modern society with laws that were based on common sense. In other words i'd like to live in fantasy land

I think marijuana should be kept illegal in order to continue wasteful wars on abstractions, that have never worked in the history of the United States; merely to deny and disparage individual liberty; in order to be more loyal subjects of the evil drug empire.

Lol yikes, ok first of all let me start off by saying that if it was on a ballot, I would vote for legalizing it, I’m just presenting the things that would make me think about it and honestly I would have to think very hard.

The good argument is that it is harmful, certainly to the individual, in that it causes several neurological problems, and because its effects tend to decrease dramatically over time giving good argument to the ‘gateway drug’ label, and it is fair, but let’s be honest, that is true of most drugs. However I agree, an individual has every right in the world to do anything they want to themselves which is why I would vote to legalize.

However, if you have kids, doesn’t the equation change a little bit? And also, if you buy it from someone, aren’t you in effect enabling that persons problems? By legalizing it we are going to increase its use and contribute to an overall dumbing down of society. Aren’t we going to face the exact same problems we face with tobacco companies? And to that effect, if someone is trying to sell to and get kids hooked on it shouldn’t they at least be put in prison? And how do you make the distinction?

The point is in all of that there are many many bad effects and no real good ones, other than a cheap thrill. (Same argument can be made for alcohol I realize that) So, isn’t that at least a reason to outlaw it even if it isn’t a good one?

Again, all I was saying is that I do have a problem with people who try to pretend that there’s anything noble in the act (excuses like taking a stand against the man and other such nonsense). Not that I have a problem with the use of it as a leisure activity. As long as you know it’s a purely selfish thing with the consequences noted then I have no problem with you at all. I just think you are a huge blowhard and idiot if you are trying to pretend you are doing for any other reason.



Ok, I had to laugh at this one. First off I agree, a cubicle is a terrible fate, but its self chosen, and there is no one else to blame but yourself for subjecting yourself to it. But the part that struck me funny was that I have done a lot of farming in my day, and I have to say that my toker buddies weren’t exactly the ones to fit into the lifestyle of getting up at 5am everyday to scratch in the dirt for 14 hours. But again I also agree, a nice free life of hunting and farming would be great but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking we would somehow have more free time or freedom for that matter, it would be much more committing than your life is now.


A final thought came to me when I was watching the movie “Traffic”. There is a scene with that kid from “That 70’s Show’ ranting about the psychological effects of white kids rolling into black communities to buy drugs all the time. (I know in general we are talking about harder drugs, but pot has to play apart right?) And it crossed my mind that isn’t that part of what your doing when you buy pot off of someone? In other words aren’t you part of this problem and none of the solution. Isn’t your role a player in the degredation of society and contributing nothing at all to it?

But in the end, if our prison populations contain mostly drug users, and if we look at the money spent in trying to fight its use, especially when taking into account its effectiveness as this guy was saying:

Same argument can be made for guns too by the way.

Then it's not a very good argument.Uh, no, it doesn't.What? His problems with having too much money from the sales? Ah, the problems I wish I had...No, we won't. Because self-control will still exist. And people don't get "dumbed down" from limited use of the drug anymore than people get dumbed down from occasional alcohol or tobacco use.Like what?So it's the sellers fault that the kids CHOSE to buy it and CHOSE to use it? Please place the blame where it belongs.So, you think that this is also a "good reason" to outlaw fast food, potato chips, non-educational movies, video games, etc...?

And drugs are not chosen?