Race crimes are a perversion of justice that is the beginning of the end to this country.

Every day in this country there are race crimes, to justify harsher punishments for them is ridiculous. Some people hate hippies and crimes have been committed by jocks against stoners, so should that be a hate crime? Should we punish a jock more severely if he beats up a stoner and calls him a dope head?

Anyone who supports hate/race crime legislation is a moron.

As an aside, and for those who think it should be legalized and taxed:

There's some discussion about taxing medical marijuana in California. Now the dope smokers are saying the tax is too high; up to $50.00 per ounce.

There doesn't seem to be much room for negotiation on this. The dope smokers appear to want to pay a minimal amount.

Frankly, I would be okay with medical marijuana being treated like any other drug prescribed by a doctor.

I also think we should legalize it, and then make the tax it.

I think the tax should be ridiculously high.

Anyone caught buying or selling marijuana (regardless of the amount), through any outlet other than an approved dealer, should be subject to a mandatory five year prison sentence. If it can be shown that they've purchased or sold marijuana on the black market multiple times, a five year sentence should be applied to each instance, as well as a fine of $10,000.00 for each instance. Hopefully, such a prospect would keep people from buying on the illegal market, which would result in the State not getting tax revenue from it.

Let's go ahead and legalize it. Let's tax the shit out of it...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

I think we should tax whatever you consume the most of at a super ridiculous rate like you want for marijuana.

Your post is one of the dumbest posts I have ever read in my life. You want to make the punishment for selling pot, after it is legalized, harsher than it is now when pot is illegal.

BRILLIANT!

Why don't we just make prostitution legal, but hookers have to pay a thousand dollars tax for every trick they turn. Yeah, that will be great. All you are doing is changing the crime. Instead of drugs, or prostitution being illegal, there will be massive tax fraud from people trying to escape OPPRESSIVE taxes.

Jeesh.

Need harsher laws,
A second conviction results in execution in bulgaria(perhaps a little much)but not far off.
You don't seem to hear about driving under the influence weed.
Operative word here is seem.

well hate crimes hate speech et all in my opinion is a load of horseshit. they commited a crime. it doesn't matter why, whether its because they hate blacks, or because they felt like whalin on someone or whatever. the crime is what you can prosecute for, not the thought. unless its premeditated. then you get them with conspiracy too.

DUI is a crime. What i was talking about, for the third time, was robbery theft etc. if youre drunk you don't get it anyworse. therefore if we legalized drugs it wouldn't be any different from our currently legal psychoactive substance (ie alcohol).

PS: DUI is a serious offense. 1st time you get a MASSSSSSSIVEEEEEEEEE fine like several THOUSAND dollars, your license suspended, a shit ton of cs, and usually 30 to 90 days in jail (thats if you get off easy.). you can get up to a year or so in jail. for killing someone while dui its even worse.
with dui you get 3, 3 and then you go to prison for like 20 years. thats not so easy.

you need to educate yourself dude. weed doesn't impair you anywhere near as much as alcohol. you don't know shit.

what we need to do is legalize it and use it for revenue. lots and lots of revenue. its a billion dollar industry that runs whether we take our cut of it or not. and whether we spend BILLIONS to try to stop it. it runs on unabated. might as well legalize it, get it away from the gangs and mob and into the hands of respectful business persons, and tax the ever loving shit out of it. treat it the same as we treat alcohol.

I make pretty good coin; I can handle it.

But that's neither here nor there. If you think you can lead a movement to increase the tax on Bass Ale to a ridiculous amount, knock yourself out. I'd be willing to bet that there's a far better chance that pot is legalized, and taxed heavily, than there is of you getting anything I consume taxed at a higher rate...

That's because you suffer a profound lack of logic...

True.

If someone is not licensed to sell marijuana, the punishment should be severe for selling it on the black market...

Indeed, it is...

I see; you have a problem focusing on the actual issue we're discussing.

How often do you get high?

I'm not changing the crime.

You want pot to be legal? Fine. Under my plan, it would be perfectly legal.

But that's not good enough for you, is it? You want it to be legal, but you don't want to pay taxes on it.

Well, that's just too fuckin' bad. You can't have it both ways.

If an ounce of pot costs, pre-tax, $100.00 (I have no idea how much it really costs), then let's make the post-tax price $140.00. That way, revenue is generated by the sale of it to burn-outs like yourself, and you get to have your precious herb.

Everyone wins, so why are you whining?

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Numerous studies have shown that marijuana does not significantly impair driving.

A 1983 study by the US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) used stoned drivers on simulators, and concluded that the only statistically significant effect associated with marijuana use was slower driving.

A comprehensive 1992 study by the NHTSA found that marijuana is rarely involved in driving accidents, except when combined with alcohol. It concluded that "the THC-only drivers had an [accident] responsibility rate below that of the drug free driversS While the difference was not statistically significant, there was no indication that cannabis by itself was a cause of fatal crashes." This study was buried for six years and not released until 1998.

Another NHTSA study performed in 1993 dosed Dutch drivers with THC and tested them on real Dutch roads. It concluded that "THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small."

A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia analyzed blood samples from 2,500 accidents, and found that drivers with cannabis in their system were actually slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without.

A University of Toronto study released in March 1999 found that moderate pot users typically refrained from passing cars and drove at a more consistent speed than non-users.

An important consideration when considering the effects of cannabis and driving is whether the smoker is an experienced user. Novice tokers typically experience more difficulty driving than regular users.

The British study also found that tiredness caused 10% of all fatal accidents, compared with 6% for alcohol.

Stoned drivers are safe drivers | Cannabis Culture Magazine

If you would like to see the actual studies...........

":MARIJUANA AND ACTUAL DRIVING PERFORMANCE":

U.S. Department of Transportation,
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
(DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:

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State of Knowledge of Drug-Impaired Driving
DOT HS 809 642
September 2003


DOT HS 809 642

Erowid Cannabis Vault : Cannabis (Marijuana) & Driving Impairment

References on Drugs and Driving

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML

One of the few studies to show "moderate" impairment on driving from THC..........

Marijuana /Alcohol Driving Study -- DOT HS 808 939

The best pot, in Ohio, costs 400 dollars an ounce. In 1999, an ounce of the best pot cost more than an ounce of gold.

If pot is legalized, then I should be able to grow my own and you can put whatever taxes you want on it, as I will just grow it myself, just like some people make their own wine and beer.

Now you will get NO TAX REVENUE because of greedy, ignorant people like you as everyone will grow their own, or continue to deal in the black market.

However, if you start off with a reasonable tax, people will pay it and you will be able to slowly increase the tax over years and people will still pay it, just like they do for tobacco products. This will still generate significant revenue, as long as you don't get too greedy and chase all the people away to the black market.

Four bills an ounce?

What kind of idiot brain-fuck pays four hundred bucks for an ounce of pot?

I'd have no problem with people growing their own.

Sell it, though, and you should go to prison and be shit-hammered with fines...

And, again, those who deal in the black market will be held accountable for that...

What's your idea of a "reasonable" tax?

40% is "reasonable" to me...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

they can tax it at a little above the rate of alcohol or cigarettes. no big deal. its a small price to pay to be able to smoke without going to jail.

we should then punish people who sell on the black market harsher. make it a tax evasion thing as well as substance charge. i don't give a fuck as i won't be black marketing if i can pick it up at the corner store.

since you don't smoke pot i wouldn't expect you to know, but i will endeavor to explain.

a whole oz of top dollar weed (about 25 a gram) if smoked responsibly (i like a pipe, one bowl is good for about 4-6 hours ie after work to before bed. note a bowl is about twice the size of your pinky nail if youve got normal sized fingers. if youve got sausage hands just one pinky nail. a gram should net about 3 bowls maybe more) will last a LONGGGGGGG TIME. like a month easy. and its GOOD SHIT. like the difference between drinking johnny walker red and drinking a good 30 year old scotch. totally different for the conosseuir. wine snobs are respected for their hobby, this is the same thing, but for pot. its got good color, texture, tri chromes (crystals), smell, taste, and an uber high thc content. its also fresh as fresh can be.
to a discerning smoker who can afford it its a good thing.

normal prices for an oz of dirt weed is like 60 bucks. (this is shwag). its nasty, takes alot to get you stoned, its dry, smells like shit etc. why would you smoke that? geez.

the difference is night and day to someone who knows what theyre talking about.

I think the black market offers a market based metric. I wouldn't mind paying fifty percent of the cost of pot, as a form of tax. As a comparison to tobacco, paying up to ten dollars in tax for a pack of pot cigarettes would still be a bargain over black market prices.

Steve, you're retardedly over the top almost all the time but this made me

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Steve, Excessive taxation of any commodity, fine or sentence is not to be allowed here in America. Think before you type. We revolted against England largely because of excessive taxation. It is not fair by any stretch of the imagination. It should be legalized and taxed at a fair rate. This alone would instantly kill the black market, so your absurd thoughts on imprisoning and fining black marketeers would be a waste of time.

Your either drunk or you bumped your head. What if your friend couldn't make it to the store and wants to buy a small amount off you to tide him over till he can make it to the store? Now you go to prison for five years? Sleep it off. Your not thinking rationally.

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