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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I have heard evidence for both, as an aphrodisiac in some people and impotence in others. I have never had a problem with it.
Same here - I think it ultimately comes down to the person's body chemistry. The time dilation effect can make it seem to last longer, but i don't think there's any proof of that either.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Same here - I think it ultimately comes down to the person's body chemistry. The time dilation effect can make it seem to last longer, but i don't think there's any proof of that either.
For me it definitely feels better, and i do last a bit longer. Nothing too significant but nothing to sneeze at either. The girlfriend says she gets off better when we are both stoned and having sex, and i'm not really one to argue.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Well, 16 people dying because someone was operating a train while stoned means it should be banned! And, of course, the 13,470 people who died from alcohol related car crashes in 2006 means we should keep alcohol legal!

Nevermind the fact that if marijuana were made legal, operating any sort of vehicle under the influence would still be illegal. In other words, marijuana being illegal or not wouldn't change the fact that these guys broke the law.
And whether legal or not, I am all for drug testing at work. Zero tolerance for THC and its metabolites and zero tolerance for any other drug, legal or not.
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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For me it definitely feels better, and i do last a bit longer. Nothing too significant but nothing to sneeze at either. The girlfriend says she gets off better when we are both stoned and having sex, and i'm not really one to argue.
That was WAY more information than i needed
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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And whether legal or not, I am all for drug testing at work. Zero tolerance for THC and its metabolites and zero tolerance for any other drug, legal or not.
So you'd test to see if people, for example, have wine with their dinner the night before? Or if they took Tylenol?
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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And whether legal or not, I am all for drug testing at work. Zero tolerance for THC and its metabolites and zero tolerance for any other drug, legal or not.
How about impairment testing, it is far more effective, less costly and less intrusive.

Here are some stats.
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100% of employers who used impairment testing considered their experience successful.
82% of employers found that impairment testing improved safety.
90% of employees accepted impairment testing.
87% of employers found impairment testing superior to urine testing.

Impairment testing has the potential to protect workplace safety far better than drug testing because it indicates:

1. a person's condition at the time they are working, not at some point in the indeterminate past.
2. impairment from all sources, not only from illegal drugs.

Impairment testing also appears to be less invasive of employees' privacy because it:

1. is not physically intrusive.
2. does not disclose information about an employee's private life.
NWI Impairment Testing
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Also the precedent has already been set, take a marijuana possession charge all the way to court instead of pleading guilty and raise a religious use defense and chances are your case will be dropped before you even see the inside of a courtroom.
Link please...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Sure it does. Breaking the law is simply a system of risk and reward/punishment. There is little to no risk involved in smoking pot and the penalties for doing so are minor. Marijuana laws, as they currently exist for people in terms of personal use, are more like suggestions than anything else. It's fairly comparable to me not 'recognizing' the law that says I can't double park when I'm running in to drop something off. I recognize that the law exists, I don't really care, and I would break it with impunity. So, in the philosophical sense, I don't recognize that it has any authority over me.

I don't smoke pot, myself, but the decision not to has absolutely nothing to do with the law's impotent effort to stop me.
You'll notice I said "a law", and not "marijuana laws".

If you don't "recognize" laws which prohibit you from, say, stealing the possessions of another, should you be allowed to steal someone else's possessions?

See, if you weren't baked outta' yer mind right now, you'd have seen that comin'...

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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Um, I feel safer in cars with drivers who are high than drivers who are tipsy or even hammered, but let's for one moment assume you're right. There is a difference between smoking hash where you're not going to harm anyone and doing something where you put others in danger.*

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What? This is a piss take, right?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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You'll notice I said "a law", and not "marijuana laws".
Not all laws are created equal.

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If you don't "recognize" laws which prohibit you from, say, stealing the possessions of another, should you be allowed to steal someone else's possessions?
"Allowed" by whom? If I don't recognize the law against stealing as valid within my own ethical framework, then the only thing that matters is whether or not I get caught. Even if I didn't find stealing to be morally wrong, I probably wouldn't, say, break into my neighbor's house and help myself to a television because the likelihood of getting caught and the severity of the punishment would make that not worth doing. Smoking pot or double parking, on the other hand, carry inconsequential enough punishments and low enough likelihoods of getting caught that I would simply do it anyway.

Of course, I wouldn't steal because I find it morally wrong. I don't smoke pot because I don't like it. I would double park, though. There's nothing that I do or don't do because of the law, in terms of morals. I don't view breaking the law as immoral or obeying it as moral - I view the law as morally neutral. When the law doesn't line up with my ethics (which, by and large it does), then all that matters is whether or not I will get caught and, if I do, how severe the punishment will be.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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The US government doesn't want or need the billions in tax revenue that legalization would generate each and every year ?
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Marijuana should remain illegal because the WOD employs countless cops, lawyers, judges, prison guards, you name it. What on earth would your local police department have to do if they didn't have to go after all the filthy drug users they can find?
Are these posts sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek? Or are you suggesting that we create government jobs for the sake of employing people and nothing else?
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Old 02-18-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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And whether legal or not, I am all for drug testing at work. Zero tolerance for THC and its metabolites and zero tolerance for any other drug, legal or not.
too bad nazism collapsed, you would have thrived so well.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Sure it does. Breaking the law is simply a system of risk and reward/punishment. There is little to no risk involved in smoking pot and the penalties for doing so are minor. Marijuana laws, as they currently exist for people in terms of personal use, are more like suggestions than anything else. It's fairly comparable to me not 'recognizing' the law that says I can't double park when I'm running in to drop something off. I recognize that the law exists, I don't really care, and I would break it with impunity. So, in the philosophical sense, I don't recognize that it has any authority over me.

I don't smoke pot, myself, but the decision not to has absolutely nothing to do with the law's impotent effort to stop me.
apparently, you don't live in GA.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Link please...
I tried looking it up a recent case but could not find it. Just last year there was a news story of police raiding a man who was growing cannabis. The moment he pleaded religious use, the judge decided that the warrant was not properly signed or filled out and the case was thrown out. Could be more than a coincidence. Also the "THC ministry" claims that they have had 41 successes with a religious use defense, but they did not source their evidence. But I am absolutely sure about that first one.

As for myself I could argue in court using scientific evidence that the anointing oil of the old and new testament contained cannabis.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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There was an excellent documentary series, "Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way", I've seen on Discovery Channel or one of those.

I highly recommend it.
Oh I loved that series. Marijuana is one of the few illegal drugs that got made that way primarily through racism towards Mexicans(or would that be nationalism?) Oh and Ecstasy was made illegal because a few people influential people wanted it to be illegal. Even Congress didn't care about that one.
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