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Old 07-12-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

5 years for a little bit of MJ is excessive. Heck, probation would be plenty for a first offense.
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Old 07-12-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Really? So no one would be trading goods and services ever again? No one would ever borrow again? It seems a rather simplistic and absurd statement might as well say if everyone was a billionaire apples would cost $10,000.00 each.
It may seem simplistic and absurd, yet it came from the Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta. That affords his statement much more credibility then say,....yours.
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Old 07-12-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Which separation are you referring to? As not for profit business ventures, they can specialize and divide labor with the private sector. However, I can agree that the public sector should concentrate on natural public sector monopolies.
Like the separation of Church and state. Have you heard of this before?

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Any capitalist could have invested their capital in such a manner, that it could have appreciated faster than the rate of inflation.
But they should not have to.

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You are only providing anecdotal evidence that could simply be a coincidence. Better fiscal policy can ensure better monetary policy.
No, I'm providing you with real time problems with fiat currency.

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I have started. That is a premise you will have to refute to convince me; how many of those economies had central banking services. Simply having a central bank can preclude the situation you describe.
No, they cannot preclude the problems. What they can do is postpone the problems, but not forever. I will say that the fed under Alan Greenspan did a commendable job of putting off the inevitable. The truth of the matter , whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, is that it is a mathematical certainty that the dollar will eventually fail because of it's fiat status.
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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since you don't smoke pot i wouldn't expect you to know, but i will endeavor to explain.

a whole oz of top dollar weed (about 25 a gram) if smoked responsibly (i like a pipe, one bowl is good for about 4-6 hours ie after work to before bed. note a bowl is about twice the size of your pinky nail if youve got normal sized fingers. if youve got sausage hands just one pinky nail. a gram should net about 3 bowls maybe more) will last a LONGGGGGGG TIME. like a month easy. and its GOOD SHIT. like the difference between drinking johnny walker red and drinking a good 30 year old scotch. totally different for the conosseuir. wine snobs are respected for their hobby, this is the same thing, but for pot. its got good color, texture, tri chromes (crystals), smell, taste, and an uber high thc content. its also fresh as fresh can be.
to a discerning smoker who can afford it its a good thing.

normal prices for an oz of dirt weed is like 60 bucks. (this is shwag). its nasty, takes alot to get you stoned, its dry, smells like shit etc. why would you smoke that? geez.

the difference is night and day to someone who knows what theyre talking about.
I don't smoke pot.

I never said I've never smoked pot.

I remember quality weed going for about $140.00 an ounce.

Anyone who would spend four hundred bucks on pot is a fucking retard...
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Steve, Excessive taxation of any commodity, fine or sentence is not to be allowed here in America. Think before you type. We revolted against England largely because of excessive taxation.
Huh... Well, let the stoners do it again.

Of course, we could throw 'em a curve ball with some Twinkies and a box of Mallomars...

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It is not fair by any stretch of the imagination. It should be legalized and taxed at a fair rate.
Ido not believe 40% is excessive...

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This alone would instantly kill the black market, so your absurd thoughts on imprisoning and fining black marketeers would be a waste of time.
I don't believe it would be. For black marketeers, their potential reward could be great. Their punishment, if caught, should also be great...

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Your either drunk or you bumped your head. What if your friend couldn't make it to the store and wants to buy a small amount off you to tide him over till he can make it to the store? Now you go to prison for five years? Sleep it off. Your not thinking rationally
Well, knowing that I would go to prison for five years, I wouldn't sell it to him.

Simple solution, really.

You know, for someone who's not stoned all the time...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Huh... Well, let the stoners do it again.

Of course, we could throw 'em a curve ball with some Twinkies and a box of Mallomars...
This makes no sense unless your drunk, I guess.

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Ido not believe 40% is excessive...
Anything above 5% is usury rates. I guess excess is burned into your DNA from all the alcoholic binges.

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I don't believe it would be. For black marketeers, their potential reward could be great. Their punishment, if caught, should also be great...
This is where the cloak of alcoholism has clouded your logic. Try & stay with me here Steve-0...When alcohol prohibition was ended, the bottom dropped out of the boot-leg booze market...Thus, no more black market booze because it was legal.
Illegal = Black market
Legal = no black market
You still with me or should I wait till your finished puking in an old McDonalds cup...

When Marijuana prohibition ends, there will no longer be massive profits to be made selling Marijuana illegally. The black market for pot will die just as the black market for booze did.
So all of your absurd ideas for abusive fines and prison sentences will be obsolete...just like you.
The clouds will part
The sun will shine
And all that will be left for you to do is grumble to yourself in your beer, like a transient pushing a shopping cart down the street, talking to himself with a big urine stain on the front of his tattered pants.
I'll drink to that!

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Well, knowing that I would go to prison for five years, I wouldn't sell it to him.

Simple solution, really.

You know, for someone who's not stoned all the time...
Then how did you come up with it?
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I don't smoke pot.

I never said I've never smoked pot.

I remember quality weed going for about $140.00 an ounce.

Anyone who would spend four hundred bucks on pot is a fucking retard...
You tell 'em...Then pop open another Pabst blue ribbon...
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I don't smoke pot.

I never said I've never smoked pot.

I remember quality weed going for about $140.00 an ounce.

Anyone who would spend four hundred bucks on pot is a fucking retard...
*salutes the iron fisted Steve*

matey, like all good things...whether it be cristal, or whether it be beluga...or whether it be a vintage leica...

they all be expensive.

'course, i'd be full 'o mirth and joy if the price should drop to $140 per z.

*sighs mournfully*

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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Steve, you're retardedly over the top almost all the time but this made me
Wow, we agree on something.
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I don't smoke pot.

I never said I've never smoked pot.

I remember quality weed going for about $140.00 an ounce.

Anyone who would spend four hundred bucks on pot is a fucking retard...
What about people who spend 400 dollars for a bottle of wine? Or people who spend 400 dollars for a pair of shoes, or a purse? Or people who spend 10,000 dollars going to vegas?

An ounce of weed would last me a month-2 months, depending on how much I share.

A bottle of wine lasts an hour.
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Four bills an ounce?

What kind of idiot brain-fuck pays four hundred bucks for an ounce of pot?



I'd have no problem with people growing their own.

Sell it, though, and you should go to prison and be shit-hammered with fines...



And, again, those who deal in the black market will be held accountable for that...



What's your idea of a "reasonable" tax?

40% is "reasonable" to me...
Ya know, I have met a lot of morons in my day............

Wait, I forgot what I was going to say. Damn it. Hey, pass the bowl over here.
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Old 07-13-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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I don't smoke pot.

I never said I've never smoked pot.

I remember quality weed going for about $140.00 an ounce.

Anyone who would spend four hundred bucks on pot is a fucking retard...
dude if you haven't smoked todays pot, then kindly refrain from commenting on it. you don't know what youre talking about.
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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This makes no sense unless your drunk, I guess.



Anything above 5% is usury rates. I guess excess is burned into your DNA from all the alcoholic binges.



This is where the cloak of alcoholism has clouded your logic. Try & stay with me here Steve-0...When alcohol prohibition was ended, the bottom dropped out of the boot-leg booze market...Thus, no more black market booze because it was legal.
Illegal = Black market
Legal = no black market
You still with me or should I wait till your finished puking in an old McDonalds cup...

When Marijuana prohibition ends, there will no longer be massive profits to be made selling Marijuana illegally. The black market for pot will die just as the black market for booze did.
So all of your absurd ideas for abusive fines and prison sentences will be obsolete...just like you.
The clouds will part
The sun will shine
And all that will be left for you to do is grumble to yourself in your beer, like a transient pushing a shopping cart down the street, talking to himself with a big urine stain on the front of his tattered pants.
I'll drink to that!



Then how did you come up with it?
See, here's the thing, Sport: You've admitted to getting high. Now that you're identified as a stoner, you need me to have some sort of weak-person addiction in order to make yourself look like less of a loser. I understand that. Drug addicts often try to shift the spotlight off themselves.

The truth of the matter is I rarely drink, and I haven't gotten high in years. I prefer to be in control of my faculties, which isn't possible when stoned or drunk.

So, that's that.You're making yourself look stupid, and you're doing a formidable job.

As for what you consider "usury", I don't care. You say you want it to be legal, well, my plan makes it legal. The downside to it is that drug addicts usually have a hard time holding down a job, so they wouldn't be able to pay it.

But it would still be legal.

I don't care if the black market is there or not. It's there right now. I have no problem with the way things are now. You seem to think I want to see it taxed and the black market go away. This isn't so. Make it legal and tax the shit out of it. People who can pay the 40% will be law-abiding citizens. Those drug addicts who opt to trade in the black market will be doing nothing different than they are now.

Until they get caught.

So, do yourself a favor: Admit that you're a drug addict (you've all but admitted to that), and accept that not everyone you encounter has a substance abuse problem...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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You tell 'em...Then pop open another Pabst blue ribbon...
When I do drink, it would be a Bass Ale.

That would be more the equivilant of your $400.00 bag of weed...
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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What about people who spend 400 dollars for a bottle of wine? Or people who spend 400 dollars for a pair of shoes, or a purse? Or people who spend 10,000 dollars going to vegas?
Those people either have more money than they know what to do with, or they're idiots...

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An ounce of weed would last me a month-2 months, depending on how much I share.
Your parents must be proud...

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A bottle of wine lasts an hour.
So what?
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