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Old 02-25-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Montana, a red state, already had some incredibly lax medical marijuana laws and is working on passing legislation to extend the amount of recipients and how many plants they can grow at their home.

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So,yea, anything is possible...
Correct, anything is possible. I forgot about Montana and Massachusetts, and that last state that something happened in.
Mass. voters OK decriminalization of marijuana - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe

I wish they would ask the people of California, like they did in Massachusetts. I don't like writing the name of that particular state, by the way. Get a shorter name for it.
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Old 02-25-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Correct, anything is possible. I forgot about Montana and Massachusetts, and that last state that something happened in.
Mass. voters OK decriminalization of marijuana - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe

I wish they would ask the people of California, like they did in Massachusetts. I don't like writing the name of that particular state, by the way. Get a shorter name for it.
Well it is possible to get a legalization proposition but several hundred thousand eligible signatures have to be collected. There have been two legalization measures that never qualified for the ballot in 2008 because one was a giant joke and would never pass and the other was incredibly restrictive and a black market would have still existed. So neither one was endorsed by CA NORML or any other law reform group.

Also Massachusetts is usually shortened to Mass. FYI.
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Old 02-26-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

First I think it should be legal sure would save on those trips to Amsterdam. lol

Years ago I read about a test they conducted in High Times on the affects of smoking vs drinking and playing pinball. The first 2 games were won by the alcohol drinker but the more games played with more smoking vs drinking resulted in the smoker getting better and better while after the 2nd game the drinker just got worse and worse.

True reason is the same as most stupid rules (no dancing) or laws (no smoke) is because people with no life are jealous of other people having fun.
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Old 02-27-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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First I think it should be legal sure would save on those trips to Amsterdam. lol

Years ago I read about a test they conducted in High Times on the affects of smoking vs drinking and playing pinball. The first 2 games were won by the alcohol drinker but the more games played with more smoking vs drinking resulted in the smoker getting better and better while after the 2nd game the drinker just got worse and worse.

True reason is the same as most stupid rules (no dancing) or laws (no smoke) is because people with no life are jealous of other people having fun.

Quite, miserable people just want to impose their suffering on everybody.

Look how most of them feel about this Depression. Long as it doesn't hit them too hard they just love it and want nothing more than to make it worse.
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Old 02-27-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Look how most of them feel about this Depression. Long as it doesn't hit them too hard they just love it and want nothing more than to make it worse.
What?
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Old 03-02-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds. Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
Dry mouth and/or throat, problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety. These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with marijuana.
Persons high on marijuana show the same lack of coordination on standard drunk driver tests as do people who have had too much to drink.
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.
Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain’s limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.


THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
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Old 03-02-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds. Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
Dry mouth and/or throat, problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety. These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with marijuana.
Persons high on marijuana show the same lack of coordination on standard drunk driver tests as do people who have had too much to drink.
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.
Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain’s limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.


THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
First, you have not posted any links. Did you do this research on your own? Second, you mentioned that it has some of the same effects as tobacco smoking. Does this mean you support banning cigarettes, too?

And in a general sense, is it your position that we should ban anything which, if consumed on a personal basis, is harmful?
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Old 03-02-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds.
Protect us nanny-state from chest colds and lung inflammation!!
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Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Don't smoke then vaporize or eat it.
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Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
This study is done using a cannabis preparation where stems, stalks, leaves, seeds and the flowering bud are shredded into a pulp. Since the typical cannabis consumers try to minimize their contact with all the above except the flowering bud which contains the highest plant/THC ratio, I would say that study has little if any real world application. Also cannabis users smoke .2-.5 grams a day while the typical pack a day smoker is smoking 20 grams of tobacco a day.
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Dry mouth and/or throat, problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety.
All are also effects of alcohol, 10x.
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Persons high on marijuana show the same lack of coordination on standard drunk driver tests as do people who have had too much to drink.
It is generally accepted that non-oral consumed cannabis' peak inebriation is between a 0.05-0.07% BAC. Studies that say otherwise usually involve dosing non-users with high amounts of pure THC that that a typical user would never be exposed to under normal situations.
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Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.
According to UCLA, John Hopkins and Kaiser Permeate studies, cannabis use does not increase one's chance of lung cancer in non-tobacco, cannabis consumers. There are NO OTHER STUDIES THAT CONTRADICT THEIR FINDINGS.
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Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain’s limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.
These studies generally involve extremely heavy users, and have about as much relevance to moderate cannabis consumers as a study of Sterno drinkers has to the moderate alcohol drinkers.

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THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
Not fake, just little to no real world relevance to moderate use in adults. Also could it be that HS students that are attracted to use cannabis at an early age are also the same students that ditch class? Cannabis should be legalized for adults, not highschoolers.
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Old 03-02-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds. Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
Dry mouth and/or throat, problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety. These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with marijuana.
Persons high on marijuana show the same lack of coordination on standard drunk driver tests as do people who have had too much to drink.
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.
Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain’s limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.

THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
I predict you'll have a long, fruitful posting history here.
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Old 03-02-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have. These individuals may have daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds. Continuing to smoke marijuana can lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissue injured or destroyed by marijuana smoke.
Regardless of the THC content, the amount of tar inhaled by marijuana smokers and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed are three to five times greater than among tobacco smokers. This may be due to marijuana users inhaling more deeply and holding the smoke in the lungs.
Dry mouth and/or throat, problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety. These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with marijuana.
Persons high on marijuana show the same lack of coordination on standard drunk driver tests as do people who have had too much to drink.
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.
Researchers have found that THC changes the way in which sensory information gets into and is acted on by the hippocampus. This is a component of the brain’s limbic system that is crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of sensory experiences with emotions and motivations. Investigations have shown that THC suppresses neurons in the information processing system of the hippocampus. In addition, researchers have discovered that learned behaviors, which depend on the hippocampus, also deteriorate.


THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
Well.... I am glad that you cleared that up... I am going to go cancel my membership to NORML and MPP right away.

Thanks!

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Old 03-03-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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THAT is why it should stay illegal. Anyone who says this is fake is retarded and obviously retarded becasue they have PROVED this in scientific labs and took high-schoolers on pot and tested them compared to normal people with a B-C average in school.
Ok, cannabis has some disadvantage, Surprise, surprise... Some of your allegations aren't true though...

Anyway, facts are: a lot of people smoke it, keeping it illegal isn't gonna fix anything.

You have to control the problem instead of trying to repress it. Repression is inefficient and expensive. Taking out dealers doesn't change anything, as the price elasticity (demand) of drugs is very low.

Government should control production and distribution (don't make the same mistake as the Dutch did, by 'legalising' usage, but prohibiting production. Unless you like organised crime...). That's the only solution I see.
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Old 03-04-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

When I was young I smoked less than a pack cigarettes a day for 8 years. I quit because even at a young age I would wake up coughing and hacking. Figured it was already killing me even with moderate usage. Within two months my lungs were clear and healthy. Never had these syptoms with other smoke.
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Old 03-04-2009
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Re: Make an argument as to why marijuana should be illegal....

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When I was young I smoked less than a pack cigarettes a day for 8 years. I quit because even at a young age I would wake up coughing and hacking. Figured it was already killing me even with moderate usage. Within two months my lungs were clear and healthy. Never had these syptoms with other smoke.
Your point being? I assume you're talking about regular smoking. Do you want that to be made illegal?
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Old 03-04-2009
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Your point being? I assume you're talking about regular smoking. Do you want that to be made illegal?
nah man he's saying he has a various times in his life smoked for an extended period of time both tobacco and marijuana. Tobacco gave him coughing fits and felt like it was ruining his lungs. He claims to never have experienced this with marijuana.

I can attest to the same thing. Pot smoke doesnt do that much to your lungs in my XP
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Old 03-04-2009
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nah man he's saying he has a various times in his life smoked for an extended period of time both tobacco and marijuana. Tobacco gave him coughing fits and felt like it was ruining his lungs. He claims to never have experienced this with marijuana.

I can attest to the same thing. Pot smoke doesnt do that much to your lungs in my XP
Oh...I should have read the previous posts. Sorry.
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