This bill doesn’t allow CCW holders to carry inside bars or clubs, either.

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Your trepidations are a point well taken. The US however, was pretty much made at gun point. The US was born of a time when a man could make his own decisions about how he wanted to defend himself, and for the first time, the government wasn't going to tell him that he could not arm himself: in fact, it was such an important issue that the US Consitution guarenteed it.

The open spaces of this country demanded that a person be consistantly vigilant. Guns were comparatively expensive and treated as serious as a horse.

Firearms are a part of our culture: good or bad. It's a very American thing that only Americans can really grasp. The Left, on this issue, sees your point so much they wish to make it policy: they are amalgamating the European social culture into the American culture and that is the secret of the divide.

It could be argued that the left coddles the criminal element and thus our firearm culture has wound up in the hands of children. The Right, for their part of the confusion, does nothing but yell "from my cold dead hands !!..." This of course is a brilliant solution and is so good for teaching people what firearms and this country mean to each other...

I say, thank God for the Constitution.

I think that if the Left can lighten up and the Right can smarten up, we can get a good balance and realize that the firearm cultuer is really many fasited and has a deep respect for the history and true nature of firearms and the making of this country.

There's a company in Rutherglen, just south of Glasgow, Scotland... "Jackson" something... That builds custom shotguns for bird hunting etc. His work starts at $20,000. That eliment of firearm culture runs real deep in this country: 1879 Colt 44 revolvers $5,000 (The Old West).

etc etc etc.

Firearms and their culture in the US will never change.

The first thing Hitler did when he came to power was disarm the people, clearly he saw an armed public as a threat to his goals, and he was right, it would have been a HELL of a lot harder, if not impossible, to round up 6 million people and send them to thier deaths if they had them means to fight back. Are you suggesting something like that could never happen here?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

I would tell you that something like that will never happen here. These comparisons to Hitler are rather ridiculus and based more on hysteria than actual knowledge of the issue in this country.

The real issue is two fold in my view. Hellaeric09's view is from the perspective of a runaway Military Industrial Complex. It's such a large part of our domestic economy, that like credit cards, we've created a need for it. That industry is responsible for all of these facny weapons hitting the streets. This complex enters into security trade shows and developement seminars and actually sells a need for their products. This country has gone security crazy since Reagan and it only got much worse with GW Bush.

Secondly, the streets are so full of idiots with guns because the local jurisdictions have done nothing to put a stop to the needs that create criminals with firearms - of any type. The cops are sued for anything they say and do. The local public assiatance programs are dooing little or nothing to clean up the neighborhoods where this element lives and our educational system and our abilitites to create meaninful skilled employment that pays well are in the trash. Nobody seems to care about that.


I think that if we can take care of these issues, firearms will be what they should be: just a character liberty in this country.

You only think that because you side with the Nazi's. You know that you would be in heaven if all of the freedom loving rednecks were gone.

What an idiotic thing to say.

Ironically, it's attitudes like yours that are the reason it could happen here. I challenge you, give me one reason why it could not happen here, not one reason why it is unlikely to happen, but why it couldn't. As they say, those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it, and you seem to be a prime example of this.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

Oh cmon, it was a joke.

*stares gloomily at the zillion posts in this thread*

mateys, i hate to repeat a question if someone else asked it, but thar be alotta responses here, so if this has been asked already, i apologize.

what i wanted to ask was this;

even if ye have one 'o them conceal and carry permits, be it legal to have a firearm on yer person if yer drunk? meaning, if ye have enough grog in ye to be DWI if ye were drivin', is it legal to have a gun on yer person?

*wonders*

- MeadHallPirate

No, it's illegal to carry a weapon if you're drunk even if you have a permit.

To clarify, in most states, it is illegal to drink alcohol while you're carrying - whether or not you get drunk.

In many states, it is also illegal to enter a place where alcohol is served.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.

*salutes Wiggidy*

ARrrrrr! thank ye fer the instant response me hearty.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Right off the top I find that you know very little about history. Look at the example used in Ireland where the owning of a gun was instant prison: all the King's horses and all the king's men couldn't beat the Irish and the English had been trying -with prejudice since 1169 A.D. Parts of Ulster are only colonies. Ulster has been that way for over 6,000 years.

We live in a country of over 300 million people. We have a Constitution that guaruntees the right of ownership and self defense with firearms. Hitler's moves against the German Jews did not take place until after he was in power for some time. In order for anything like that to happen in the US, we have to have one with absolute power - who must identify the enemies of the country and then turn the entire country against them.

Hitler was also a nationalist. I can tell that you're not very observant of nationalists or what they do or how they operate.

Our form of representative democracy also guarantees that we will never have -one, or a few, who have absolute power. For anything close to that to happen there is going to have to be an overthrow of some sort of our existant form of government, and the 2nd Amendement will have to have been overturned, and that ain't likely no matter what someone thinks of the left.


That's what I measure the chances against.

I think the latter is ridicoulos - especially if its an outdoor place. Drunken scumbags can be pretty dangerous too...

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Never say never my friend. Just because the Constitution guarantees many things and is intended to restrict the power of government, look how many end runs have been done around it already.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.