I was referring to an individual openly carrying.

The implication of the enactment of this law is that firearms had previously not been allowed into these establishments. As for the "No Guns Allowed" establishments, well yes, of course they will remain the same. As for the "Guns Allowed" establishments, I guess my main thoughts are,..

"Why would someone go to a bar, who was not drinking, just because they can carry their firearm in?"

Maybe it's just the prevalence of Irish-American alcoholism I'm surrounded with, but who goes to a bar and does not drink?

Naturally, at a small local, "Guns Allowed" establishment, the likelihood of a firearm carrier to be found drinking is very high. This renders the entire, "Carriers cannot consume alcohol" provision pointless.

I believe that you are under the presumption that those carrying a firearm will have the will power to not consume alcohol.

Correct me If I am wrong.

I still don’t see a problem. The examples are becoming increasingly remote, but if someone happens to be carrying openly in a bar that permits it, why would a bartender serve him alcohol? It’s much more obvious to see that the person carrying a firearm openly isn’t allowed to drink than trying to judge whether one is “visibly intoxicated”. Why would a bartender put the bar’s liquor license in jeopardy and face lawsuits that could permanently shut down the bar and possibly bankrupt them personally?


Our very own Irish-American, O'Sullivan Bere and Miscreantgnomie just to list a couple of forum members off the top of my head. They go to bars simply to socialize, although I believe OSB is also scouting out new clients.

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Don't expect them to ever "connect" any "dots."

They seem unable to do so

I don't expect that's going to change.

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An overwhelmed bartender is not going to be looking at each patron, making sure they are not carrying a firearm. They see a face, and a handful of cash, and they are focusing on nothing but getting that person their drink as quickly as possible.

And it is actually much easier to determine whether someone is visibly intoxicated than if they are carrying a firearm in a dimly-lit bar environment.

That is not the case everywhere.

Oh, so now we’re talking about someone who happens to be carrying openly in a bar that permits it, and the bar is so crowded or dark that that the staff can’t see if their patrons openly carrying weapons. The example becomes even more implausible. If the bar becomes too crowded for the staff to check their customers, then just from a liability standpoint it would be in their best interest to, at least temporarily, rescind their policy of permitting weapons in their establishment. If the bar is too dark, they should never allow open carry.


You seemed to intimate that such a case was completely unheard of.

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Theoretically, in a "Guns Allowed" establishment, the individual would be checked at the front door, and allowed entrance. Once inside, it would not be the bartender's prerogative to check each patron for whether or not they are carrying.

The truth is the people legally allowed to open carry or conceal and carry aren't the ones who will pull their piece when provoked. Going for their gun is the last thing these people would do. NOW its the people who cant legally own a gun who are the problem, those types use their gun as resolve for every issue.

Now of course these fucks in charge (liberals) want to ban guns for EVERYONE because they are unwilling to assess that minorities and their urban gangs are responsible for 95% of the crime associate with fire arms.

Of course they don't want to touch the issue of race again so these liberals insist on banning guns for everyone without even looking at who is committing the majority of crimes with guns and that is minorities.

Heres proof of this.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Age, Gender, and Race

According to these Bureau of Justice statistics minorities are responsible for 10x more gun violence then whites, despite the fact they only make up 35% of the population as a whole.

Minority gangs are running around killing people and these liberals want to ban guns for everyone.

Truly pathetic...

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I disagree, completely. Your examples have been getting more and more remote, but I believe this one is way off the reservation. Any establishment that has security checking patrons at the door isn’t going to allow open carry of guns; it completely defeats the purpose of having the added security. However, theoretically speaking, if there were such a mythical bar, club, etc., they’d need to come up with a way for the doorman to communicate with the bar staff; hand-stamps perhaps. The bottom line is the bar owners are going to be held liable for the events that occur within their establishment, so they need to come up with a way of dealing with it.

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What is the point of bringing a gun into a bar?

The doormen would check patrons for IDs upon entering the establishment. Should a patron be carrying a firearm, he would also be checked for his license to carry that firearm. Once in the bar, he is free to do what he wishes. It is not the duty of the bartender to determine who can and cannot drink.

I'm not sure. (I never said it was a wise idea, nor that I supported it.)

It most certainly IS the bartender's duty to decide who can and cannot drink, that's why they're required to make a determination whether a patron is "visibly intoxicated"; because the bar can be held legally liable. Oh, and I thought we were talking about open carry, which doesn't require a CCW permit.

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Guns are a basic human right!!!

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Not having a family member within two hundred miles, I would like to make a bet against the statistics. I bet ten million dollars that I can fire my gun in random directions from the center of my home without hitting a single family member. Who's going to take me up on it?

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