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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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selective service is very well regulated. we've got numbers and everthing
Selective service would apply since we are sadly lacking in militia culture; but, that Service is not a Militia.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
In other words, anyone without the age range is not in the Militia even if they keep and bear arms. Only a Militia of individuals who keep and bear arms are exempt from State gun control laws.

If your point of view is correct, why do we have the conflict of state gun control laws?
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

The 2A specifically enumerates not just any Militia, but a well regulated Militia of individuals who keep and bear arms.

Since an anarchy or mob of individuals who keep and bear arms have no wellness of regulation (or muster points), they are not necessary to the security of a free State. Therefore, only a Militia of individuals who keep and bear arms is exempted from State gun control laws, while an anarchy or mob of individuals who keep and bear arms, are not.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Selective service would apply since we are sadly lacking in militia culture; but, that Service is not a Militia.
according to the definition of militia it is. any citizen subject to call to military service. selective service makes you subject to call to military service. youre in the militia. now step off the guns.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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How did you reach that conclusion? How often do they muster? It cannot be a Militia, at all, if they don't muster.
.. because it’s US law, and has been since 1792. You’ll notice that there’s nothing in the law that requires scheduled or periodic muster drills. Sorry, but US law is much more convincing than your opinion.

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In any event, only the organized militia qualifies as a well regulated militia. The unorganized militia constitutes an anarchy or mob of people who keep and bear arms, and are the primary purpose for State gun control laws.
Not at all true. Why would US statue call “all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and under 45” the militia of the US if it isn’t a militia?

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The 2A only exempts individuals who keep and bear arms, and who participate in a well regulated militia, from State gun control laws.
This really is settled law. The Second Amendment is an individual right “of the people”, just like every other right “of the people”. I don’t know why anyone would still try to argue otherwise.
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according to the definition of militia it is. any citizen subject to call to military service. selective service makes you subject to call to military service. youre in the militia. now step off the guns.
Actually, you bring up a good point. What if someone chooses to not keep and bear arms? They should not be required to keep and bear arms or be well regulated, as someone who does keep and bear arms; except in cases of invasion, insurrection or rebellion. This privilege and immunity could be protected under our Ninth Amendment.
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.. because it’s US law, and has been since 1792. You’ll notice that there’s nothing in the law that requires scheduled or periodic muster drills. Sorry, but US law is much more convincing than your opinion.

Not at all true. Why would US statue call “all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and under 45” the militia of the US if it isn’t a militia?

This really is settled law. The Second Amendment is an individual right “of the people”, just like every other right “of the people”. I don’t know why anyone would still try to argue otherwise.
You are referring to a federal militia act. The details of that Congressional prescription would be in State militia acts.
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Actually, you bring up a good point. What if someone chooses to not keep and bear arms? They should not be required to keep and bear arms or be well regulated, as someone who does keep and bear arms; except in cases of invasion, insurrection or rebellion. This privilege and immunity could be protected under our Ninth Amendment.
no one is forcing you to own guns genius. we're telling you to step off OUR guns. US. the people who DO choose to bear arms.
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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Hmm gun laws still a issue!


Mankind is the only animal species that kills for pleasure!

The good senator doesnt make this point about a Malitia...he wants to get back into office to keep his perks going!
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I'm pretty sure my cat kills for pleasure.
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Yes and no. All species of animals that kill, even herbivores, who are usually the most aggressive, seem to take pleasure in it, but it is almost certain they don't appreciate what killing IS.

It has been observed rather widely in the wild and in captivity that animals will sometimes "play" with their "natural enemies" without hurting them. Cats nursing the young of mice etc. are almost a commonplace.

Do they often kill other animals in this play, and then eat them? Of course, but they see no harm in it.

Mankind, it is almost assured, is the only animal that understands he ends another being's existence, and enjoys it.
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It's much ado about nothing. If you have your CCL it's illegal for you to carry your gun while drinking. If you're sober in a bar then I don't see a problem with being armed if the owner allows it.
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It's much ado about nothing. If you have your CCL it's illegal for you to carry your gun while drinking. If you're sober in a bar then I don't see a problem with being armed if the owner allows it.

Hear, hear; I'll drink to that.
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no one is forcing you to own guns genius. we're telling you to step off OUR guns. US. the people who DO choose to bear arms.
This point is about simply denying and disparaging the general government of the Union in drafting someone, if they do not keep and bear arms; as a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.

In my opinion, people who keep and bear arms should be drafted first. People pleading the Ninth should only be draft-able if there is an invasion, rebellion or insurrection the domestic tranquility of the state should require it. This could also have averted the Vietnam War, without the social stigma of draft dogder-ism.
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Old 07-21-2009
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This point is about simply denying and disparaging the general government of the Union in drafting someone, if they do not keep and bear arms; as a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.

In my opinion, people who keep and bear arms should be drafted first. People pleading the Ninth should only be draft-able if there is an invasion, rebellion or insurrection the domestic tranquility of the state should require it. This could also have averted the Vietnam War, without the social stigma of draft dogder-ism.
Do you vote? Do you enjoy the freedoms this country provides for you? Do you like being able to bitch that people aren't giving you "unemployment compensation at will"? Do you like freedom of religion? What about the protections of the 9th amendment that you wave around like a small child with a balloon?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, perhaps you could do your part if called upon instead of running away like a scared 12 year old pre-pubescent girl who saw a bug.
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Old 07-21-2009
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Do you have an argument or are you out of logic and reason, and have to resort to forms of the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem?

You are no longer getting any affirmative action concerning logic and reason from me.
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Old 07-21-2009
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Do you have an argument or are you out of logic and reason, and have to resort to forms of the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem?

You are no longer getting any affirmative action concerning logic and reason from me.
nothings free dan. you vote which means youre a citizen. which means you take upon yourself the responsibilities of a citizen. in this country thats the draft. as it always has been in one form or another.
if you don't like it, feel free to leave and never return. draft dodger.
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