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Old 07-22-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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Like I said, someone who's proficient with a semi-auto should be able to have a magazine in the gun, and a round chambered, in well under a second. It's not that difficult...
yeah dude maybe if youve got the magazine in your hand. trained fbi agents take longer than a second bro.

3 is a pretty conservative estimate
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Five seconds?

Three seconds?

If you're a complete spaz, maybe.

Anyone who takes three to five seconds probably shouldn't be carrying a gun in the first place.

I open carried last night. Went to a buddy of mine's guitar store. He also carries. So were the three off duty cops who were there. They commented on my gun (a Kimber Pro-Carry .45), and left it at that...
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No, but where am I going to carry all that?
Carry all what?

A gun and a magazine?

If you can carry a wallet, you can carry a magazine. Mine sits in my left back pocket...
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Old 07-22-2009
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thats under your "misconstruction". I actually think the word youre looking for is misinterpretation hoss.

good luck telling that to the SC. they'll laugh you all the way to the stockade
Non sequiturs are usually considered a fallacy.
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Old 07-22-2009
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Carry all what?

A gun and a magazine?

If you can carry a wallet, you can carry a magazine. Mine sits in my left back pocket...
You must wear big pants. I can't get my wallet out of my pocket in less than a second much less load a gun with a magazine that is in my pocket under pressure in less time.

Good thing in Ohio we don't have stupid laws. I also doubt you could load a gun that quickly if you wear normal clothes.


edit: What gun are you carrying? I have a Taurus 24/7 pro .40. It has a capacity of 15, the magazine is large, no way could I carry it around in my back pocket.
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Five seconds?

Three seconds?

If you're a complete spaz, maybe.

Anyone who takes three to five seconds probably shouldn't be carrying a gun in the first place.

I open carried last night. Went to a buddy of mine's guitar store. He also carries. So were the three off duty cops who were there. They commented on my gun (a Kimber Pro-Carry .45), and left it at that...
so youre telling me that you can draw, pull the magazine out of your pocket, insert the mag, and draw the slide back in one second. right. easy there stevo your mall ninja is showing :P
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Non sequiturs are usually considered a fallacy.
so why hasn't youre idea been suggested before then? maybe its because youre incorrect in the extreme and anyone that knows anything about the subject at hand knows better than to suggest such foolishness
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Usually, people argue to determine the truth value of any given premise.

Under my interpretation, I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
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Usually, people argue to determine the truth value of any given premise.

Under my interpretation, I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
highlighted the key phrase there. you are incorrect, as thats not how it works. if the draft is called and you refuse, youre a draft dodging coward and they will put you in jail. or on the front. depends on how playful they feel.
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Usually, people argue to determine the truth value of any given premise.

Under my interpretation, I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.

You do realize it's extremely easy to not participate in the US Military if there is a draft. You just don't show up. Sure, they may put you in jail if they can find you, but you could just lay low.

These are all choices, It's extremely easy to break the law.
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highlighted the key phrase there. you are incorrect, as thats not how it works. if the draft is called and you refuse, youre a draft dodging coward and they will put you in jail. or on the front. depends on how playful they feel.
My question is why does it work that way, if we have a Ninth Amendment, and no invasion, rebellion, insurrection, or formal declaration of war against a lawful sovereign State? It could be considered a Natural Right, and privilege and immunity under our form of federal statism.

I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
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You do realize it's extremely easy to not participate in the US Military if there is a draft. You just don't show up. Sure, they may put you in jail if they can find you, but you could just lay low.

These are all choices, It's extremely easy to break the law.
It is the difference between being a patriot to our glorious republic and being a draft dodger; and could be considered a Natural Right protected by our First and Ninth Amendments.
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My question is why does it work that way, if we have a Ninth Amendment, and no invasion, rebellion, insurrection, or formal declaration of war against a lawful sovereign State? It could be considered a Natural Right, and privilege and immunity under our form of federal statism.

I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
why? are you a citizen? do you enjoy the benefits of such? ok then youre part of the militia (see definition as citizens subject to call to military service) and are subject to being used as such if CONGRESS (who represents the people and who you elect etc) deems it necessary.
thats just the way it works. its worked that way since we've been a nation. deal with it or leave.
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You must wear big pants. I can't get my wallet out of my pocket in less than a second much less load a gun with a magazine that is in my pocket under pressure in less time.
Practice.

You'll get better...

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Good thing in Ohio we don't have stupid laws. I also doubt you could load a gun that quickly if you wear normal clothes.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you doubt. A complete spaz would need five seconds to load a semi-auto...

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edit: What gun are you carrying? I have a Taurus 24/7 pro .40. It has a capacity of 15, the magazine is large, no way could I carry it around in my back pocket.
I already said what I carry. If you're going to take issue with what I say, it might be a good idea to actually know what I say.

Most often, I carry a Kimber Pro-Carry .45...
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so youre telling me that you can draw, pull the magazine out of your pocket, insert the mag, and draw the slide back in one second.
Absolutely.

The reach for the gun and the magazine happens at the same time. Anyone who reaches for one and then the other is a fucking idiot. Inserting the magazine and pulling back the slide isn't exactly brain surgery. It's simple.

If you can't handle it, stay away from guns, and let the adults deal with them...
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