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Old 07-22-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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why? are you a citizen? do you enjoy the benefits of such? ok then youre part of the militia (see definition as citizens subject to call to military service) and are subject to being used as such if CONGRESS (who represents the people and who you elect etc) deems it necessary.
thats just the way it works. its worked that way since we've been a nation. deal with it or leave.
Your answer is always a resort to command economics, like any good communist. We have a First and Ninth Amendment for a reason.

If we have no invasion, rebellion, insurrection, or formal declaration of war against a lawful sovereign State our Ninth Amendment applies.

It could be considered a Natural Right, and privilege and immunity under our form of federal statism concerning nullification of power note specifically delegated and rights reserved by the People, if not the States.

I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

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Like I said, someone who's proficient with a semi-auto should be able to have a magazine in the gun, and a round chambered, in well under a second. It's not that difficult...

Not being an ass or anything, but under what conditions and where do you carry
your clip that you can do this so fast?hell maybe some of us could benefit.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Not being an ass or anything, but under what conditions and where do you carry
your clip that you can do this so fast?hell maybe some of us could benefit.
It's simply a product of practice. I've been carrying a gun for a long time...
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Old 07-23-2009
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Absolutely.

The reach for the gun and the magazine happens at the same time. Anyone who reaches for one and then the other is a fucking idiot. Inserting the magazine and pulling back the slide isn't exactly brain surgery. It's simple.

If you can't handle it, stay away from guns, and let the adults deal with them...
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gimmie a break hoss. all that shit takes time. not much time, but longer than it takes to say "one".
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Old 07-23-2009
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Your answer is always a resort to command economics, like any good communist. We have a First and Ninth Amendment for a reason.
If we have no invasion, rebellion, insurrection, or formal declaration of war against a lawful sovereign State our Ninth Amendment applies.

It could be considered a Natural Right, and privilege and immunity under our form of federal statism concerning nullification of power note specifically delegated and rights reserved by the People, if not the States.

I should be able to plead the Ninth if I don't keep and bear arms And there has been no invasion, insurrection or rebellion.

Otherwise, I should be able to join a state only militia that is not callable to federal arms, without an invasion, insurrection, or rebellion the domestic tranquility of the State should require it.

Hypothetically, if someone in a well regulated militia were to bear their arms in public, it would be easier if they were easily identifiable.

I do not think our laws should exclude anyone, and anyone in official poverty could request appropriate arms to bear. It may even be considered a Ninth Amendment privilege and immunity.
wow youre high and posting again. dan geez man ease off the dope. YOURE the one that wants to pay people to do nothing. constantly.
Where did i say anything about command economics in that whole post? Quote it or stfu.

the militias have ALWAYS been subject to federal call to arms. See George washington putting down the Whiskey rebellion. its called american history. maybe you should study it in passing.

militias always provide their own weapons. thats one of the things that makes them different from the regular army. its not the governments responsibility to provide you with weapons, until they draft you into the regular army.
you should really educate yourself before you go spewing the verbal diarreha that you call argument.
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o mighty mall ninja i pale in comparison to your lightning speed. we're not worthy we're not worthy.
Goddamn right you're not...

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gimmie a break hoss. all that shit takes time. not much time, but longer than it takes to say "one".
I have no doubt that it might take someone like you longer than a second. But you shouldn't allow that to skew your view that it would take everyone longer. You are not the watermark for loading and firing a weapon weapon.

Also, keep in mind that we're not talking about drawing a weapon from concealment. We're talking about a weapon worn on the hip, out in the open. Honestly, anyone who needs three to five seconds to draw the weapon, load it, and chamber a round is a complete fucking spaz...
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In California, no round can be in the chamber, and the magazine can't be in the firearm...
That seems like a shitty law, does that only apply to open carry, or does it have to be unleaded when concealed as well?
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That seems like a shitty law, does that only apply to open carry, or does it have to be unleaded when concealed as well?
If you've got a license to carry a concealed weapon, the weapon can be loaded.

With open carry, though, no ammunition can be in the gun.

And, yeah, I agree. It's a shitty law...
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Any further baiting posts will result in bad things for the poster. Please knock it off.
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wow youre high and posting again. dan geez man ease off the dope. YOURE the one that wants to pay people to do nothing. constantly.
Where did i say anything about command economics in that whole post? Quote it or stfu.

the militias have ALWAYS been subject to federal call to arms. See George washington putting down the Whiskey rebellion. its called american history. maybe you should study it in passing.

militias always provide their own weapons. thats one of the things that makes them different from the regular army. its not the governments responsibility to provide you with weapons, until they draft you into the regular army.
you should really educate yourself before you go spewing the verbal diarreha that you call argument.
I have to admit I have been mustering with the bong militia and typing militia at the same time.

There is no requirement for every militia to be callable to federal arms. I already explained the rationale for this as being both an individual and state privilege and immunity with a basis in our Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

I read some State militia acts. You may want to do the same to improve your arguments.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Re: Guns and alcohol

I haven't really read much of his post but I don't really see why you'd want guns in a bar. I think it's a poor choice. Alcohol + anything is usually poor choice. I'm a big pro-gun person but I don't think this is needed.
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I haven't really read much of his post but I don't really see why you'd want guns in a bar. I think it's a poor choice. Alcohol + anything is usually poor choice. I'm a big pro-gun person but I don't think this is needed.
the private owner can still restrict. the point is the government said "hey guys WE the government can't restrict this. Its against the law. only the private owner can restrict the carrying of firearms."
its a nit picky point that leads to lots of freedom.
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I have to admit I have been mustering with the bong militia and typing militia at the same time.

There is no requirement for every militia to be callable to federal arms. I already explained the rationale for this as being both an individual and state privilege and immunity with a basis in our Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

I read some State militia acts. You may want to do the same to improve your arguments.
happens to us all

there is. its called the 2nd ammendment. George Washington used it to gather the local militia and put down the whiskey rebellion. that sets a precendent that has never been overturned.
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the private owner can still restrict. the point is the government said "hey guys WE the government can't restrict this. Its against the law. only the private owner can restrict the carrying of firearms."
its a nit picky point that leads to lots of freedom.
I can see where you are coming from. I'll agree with this sentiment.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Practice.

You'll get better...



I honestly don't give a fuck what you doubt. A complete spaz would need five seconds to load a semi-auto...



I already said what I carry. If you're going to take issue with what I say, it might be a good idea to actually know what I say.

Most often, I carry a Kimber Pro-Carry .45...

More about getting out of my pocket than loading it.

However, it's not a problem in Ohio because we can have our guns loaded. No need for being quick draw McGraw.

As for your claims, make a video and post it.

Also, how do you sit down? Do you just have a loaded magazine on the table when you're sitting?

I can assure you that me drawing a loaded gun would be much quicker than you trying to load yours and draw it.
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