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Now, I´m just a European (called Eurotrash in here by some) and never really understood the whole infatuation with guns. Sure, they´re fun and all, but statistically you´re more liable to hit a family member than a burglar, so not exactly a big fan.

That´s not the deal though. Just read the story linked above. Does anyone else feel it might be a damn stupid move to allow guns in a place, where alcohol is consumed? People tend to get into way more fights when drunk as opposed to sober.... throw guns into the equation and this could turn ugly.

No wonder the staff seems a bit nervous.

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thats simply allowing the club owners to allow it if they please. most will not. put a sign on the door that says no guns allowed and hire a bouncer to search people. easily done.


we have a right to bear arms here. you don't have to understand it or even like it, but we're keeping our guns.

Oh, don´t worry. I have no intention of taking them away from you. Just pointing out a cultural difference is all.

Way I read the article was that it was being forced on the club owners, but no so?

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no.

heres how it worked before. the GOVERNMENT stated it was illegal to bring guns into bars or clubs. now the GOVERNMENT can't infringe rights to bear arms. so they had to repeal the law.
however private owners can do whatever they want. if they say no guns, you leave your pistol in the car or at the door.

From what I understand, bar owners still have the right to deny entry to anyone with a fire arm, if they please. The law also states it's illegal to consume alcoholic beverages while in possession of a fire arm.

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It depends on the clientele, which is more easily gauged by the owner than by some politicians or bureaucrats.
- In a bar prone to fights, it does sound like a recipe for disaster, so any owner with half a brain will post a no guns sign. (And anybody who'd ignore that is almost as likely to ignore a law against it anyway.)
- In a well-mannered bar, it sounds irrelevant. (My uncle used to hand in cop bars, where he said the firearms probably outnumbered the people. And it had one of the best-mannered crowds you'd ever find in a bar. The chicken or the egg?)
- In a quiet neighborhood watering hole in or near a bad neighborhood, it sounds like a guarantee the place will never get held up. (At least not twice, anyway.)

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I don't think allowing guns in a place where fights are common is necessarily a bad idea, in fact it might be a good idea - Like the old adage goes; "An armed society is a polite society." I know I'd sure as hell think twice before picking a fight with someone if I felt there was a good chance they were packin' heat.

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Except you're not always able to think as straight as you should when drunk...

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Having had some rather substantial experience with situations where guns and alcohol have mixed, I have never seen it to result in anything particularly good, let alone polite behavior.

It gives people who feel bullied a bigger chip on their shoulder it gives bullies an excuse.

yeah if its a known fight bar you should take weapons up at the door. fists are alot safer than bullets.

but the point is, the government can't restrict it. the club owner can.

Drunks with guns make for more lively entertainment. Johnny Cash was wro0ng.

I believe it, I'm sure in many, maby even most violent situations where alcohol is the driving factor, the presence of a firearm may be detrimental, but it is really impossible to know how many bad situations are actually avoided by the knowledge that your opponent very well may be armed, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if that number were pretty high.

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Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

I think Homer Simpson makes a valid point on the subject; "Alcohol causes problems, and guns solve problems, why shouldn't the two be mixed?"

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"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

While it's true that's impossible to know, I know I've been called to deal with innumerable incidentw where alcohol just fueled the bravado and faux-bravery, making people a LOT more aggressive than they would be normally.

IOW, drinking tends to make people think they're bulletproof.

Literally.

I am 100% pro gun(go down in a hail bullets type)but the guns and alcohol I have to agree with you.

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