What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

I'm not arguing against prohibition of guns in bars. Aside from thinking they should be allowed to keep one behind the bar, I'm completely cool with that and think it's a good idea. My issue is with clearly identifying targets, I mean citizens... No... I mean targets. My issue is with clearly identifying targets for the ATF to round up when the time comes.

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Sure, they are the new guys who haven't been convicted of their first felony (yet).

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The term, "infringe", in this instance refers to, "the violation of the law or rights of another". The "rights" of a gun owner are nothing other than to take up arms in order to form a militia, to counter tyranny. Not once does it mention, "carrying a gun around to show it off" as being a right.

Don't bring your gun out in public and it is not a problem.

Don't want a DUI? Don't drive drunk. Don't want a speeding ticket? Don't speed. Don't want to be caught with an illegal firearm? Don't carry an illegal firearm. Why would the ATF care about a legal firearm owner, who is within his government-granted, licensed rights to carry?

The way large gangs work is on par with the way a small a government works. There are "gun guys", "drug guys", "muscle guys" and "clean guys". The clean guys act as stand ins, keep their records perfectly clean to help the other guys get what they need. They usually have a significant amount of money, and help fund the "dirty guys". In return, the clean guys get protection from the dirty guys.

It is basic mafia/mob theory, really.

I'll first point you toward to the fact that my scenario was for the purpose of establishing a tyranny. Second, I'll point you toward recent history. Put twenty people in one house with a respectable gun collection and they'll burn the place down. I assume I don't need to cite examples.

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All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
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Right, but what Chass said applies to the "clean guys" too, as thier activity is very much illegal, they just havn't been caught/proven guilty yet.

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I'm not sure what you mean. If clean guys are participating in illegal behavior, they should be caught. Clean guys not participating in illegal behavior need not worry.

The simple fact that someone is particpating in illegal behavior supercedes their right to privacy. If that is what you mean.

No it simply talks about bearing them, not a specific use and condition for said use. Every citizen is entitled to the right to bear arms. furthermore that right shall not be infringed. period.

Umm...you might want to review what the Constitution actually says. Not simply what the NRA wants it to say.

It speaks on the necessity of the security of the state being vested in the right of the public to bear arms.

In a secure state, this ammendment has no need for existence.

You may want to read what it actually says, and while you're at it, find a 10 year old to explain grammar to you.

The 2nd Amendment, like ALL of the Bill of Rights, places restrictions upon GOVERNMENT, not upon the people.

You really don't see the problem inherent in your position, do you? You seem to truly believe you are supporting liberty while simultaneously advocating its destruction.

Oh wait - you're from Massachusetts. NOW your posts are starting to make sense. You've never been outside in the free world so you don't realize just HOW fucked up your perspective truly is.

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Why would a gang banger buy a .40 at Acedemy for $500 when he can buy one from one of his homies for $50????

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thanks for proving my point. Good Day Sir

shit why would he buy a gun that you can trace to him in the first place? Thats the ENTIRE POINT OF HAVING AN ILLEGAL GUN! Wipe the prints off and no one can prove its yours.


As a side note (not to you chass): A whole shit ton of illegal guns don't come from domestic sources. They get moved into the country by largescale arms dealers and distributed in smaller and smaller batches to smaller and smaller time dealers (illegal dealers).

This is just another in a long list of examples of how Republicans take away or minimize freedoms. Once we get Republicans out of office this sort of thing won't happen.

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you do know that one of the dems main things is this sort of thing yeah?