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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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This is just another in a long list of examples of how Republicans take away or minimize freedoms. Once we get Republicans out of office this sort of thing won't happen.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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you do know that one of the dems main things is this sort of thing yeah?
It the governor of California a member of the Democratic Party or the Republican party?
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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It the governor of California a member of the Democratic Party or the Republican party?
ever hear of a state legislature?
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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thanks for proving my point. Good Day Sir
If you don't know how to read, please refrain from posting in this thread. This forum is for serious political debate.

Second Ammendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Did you just miss the entire first half of the ammendment?

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shit why would he buy a gun that you can trace to him in the first place? Thats the ENTIRE POINT OF HAVING AN ILLEGAL GUN! Wipe the prints off and no one can prove its yours.


As a side note (not to you chass): A whole shit ton of illegal guns don't come from domestic sources. They get moved into the country by largescale arms dealers and distributed in smaller and smaller batches to smaller and smaller time dealers (illegal dealers).

Wrong again. Many states require the tracking of firearm serial numbers. It is a little more difficult than, "Wiping off prints".

And that is exactly why we must close our border.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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If you don't know how to read, please refrain from posting in this thread. This forum is for serious political debate.

Second Ammendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Did you just miss the entire first half of the ammendment?

He didn't miss it. The first part of the amendment is the prefatory clause, and is subservient to the operative clause, which is the later half. The prefatory clause does not limit or expand the scope of the operative clause, it merely announces a purpose.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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If you don't know how to read, please refrain from posting in this thread. This forum is for serious political debate.
Coming from you thats actually kinda funny.
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Second Ammendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Did you just miss the entire first half of the ammendment?
No, he didn't miss it. You simply do not understand it. Now you may have to go back to your elementary school grammar texts here, but if you look REAL close, you'll understand that the operative part of that sentence is "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". Militia service is irrelevant to the right itself. This makes even more sense when you remember the the Constitution and Bill of Rights place limits only upon government, not the people.

No less an authority than the current Supreme Court of the United States has affirmed that interpretation unanimously. Yes RMitch, the Court unanimously agreed the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not dependent upon militia service in US v. Heller.

It really helps if you TRY to keep abreast of the legalities surrounding things before you post things in direct contradiction of reality.
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Wrong again. Many states require the tracking of firearm serial numbers. It is a little more difficult than, "Wiping off prints".
Many? Um - no. Very few require any kind of registration to begin with, and I believe there is only one which requires re-sales to go through an FFL. Sales to the original purchaser from an FFL do identify the serial number with the buyer, but this data is only stored at the place of purchase.

Those states which DO have some kind of registration will readily acknowledge that said registration has not solved a single crime. Not one.

Even if your fantasy land existed where ALL guns were somehow kept in an 100% accurate database of ownership, and the gun used in the crime was actually found at the scene, unless you find prints on it, you're gonna have a hell of a time proving the registered owner is the criminal on the basis of the gun belonging to him. That wont even remotely meet the burden of proof.
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And that is exactly why we must close our border.
While I agree our border should be closed, even if it is, it wont stop smuggling.

Think about it: England is a freaking ISLAND and her subjects enjoy none of our Constitutional protections, and yet somehow guns are still smuggled into that country.

Its gonna take a lot more than regurgitated Brady Campaign garbage to construct a pro-gun-control argument in here.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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ever hear of a state legislature?
Did the Republican executive have the right to veto this legislation or didn't he? Stop trying to misplace the blame here. It was a Republican that allowed this abomination to be signed.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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Did the Republican executive have the right to veto this legislation or didn't he? Stop trying to misplace the blame here. It was a Republican that allowed this abomination to be signed.
gee A RINO signs a gun control bill that will only impacts lawful use of handguns to appease the moonbats and it's an firm example the problem of governance of Republicans?

It's an example of a GOP that lost it's way by not kicking the frauds and hacks to the curb.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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If you don't know how to read, please refrain from posting in this thread. This forum is for serious political debate.

Second Ammendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Did you just miss the entire first half of the ammendment?




Wrong again. Many states require the tracking of firearm serial numbers. It is a little more difficult than, "Wiping off prints".

And that is exactly why we must close our border.

You might want to sit down, because i have a feeling this is going to come as quite a shock. They have this thing called a metal file and this other thing called acid. You can totally grind off serial numbers. its like magic. you can also buy a barrel, JUST the barrel, and replace that even if they got it on file what your old barrel does to bullets, the new one won't. Its childishly simple.

NO i didn't miss the first half. Did you miss the second? The right of the people to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. PERIOD.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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ever hear of a state legislature?
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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Did the Republican executive have the right to veto this legislation or didn't he? Stop trying to misplace the blame here. It was a Republican that allowed this abomination to be signed.
Why would he veto it? They wouldve just thrown it back in his face and cursed him up an down the state not allowing him to get a damn thing done. The blame lays with the legislature that passed it.
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

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It the governor of California a member of the Democratic Party or the Republican party?
He is a Republican In Name Only (RINO).

Have you never heard the term?
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Re: CA: thumbprints and personal info needed in 2011 to buy ammo.

So now we have them pretty much admitting that the Republican Party is full of spineless hacks, but instead of doing anything about it, the right-wingers are more than happy to sit back and complain. What a bunch of lazy whiners these right-wingers are.
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So now we have them pretty much admitting that the Republican Party is full of spineless hacks, but instead of doing anything about it, the right-wingers are more than happy to sit back and complain. What a bunch of lazy whiners these right-wingers are.
An occasional RINO does not equate to "the Republican Party is full of spineless hacks", but I doubt that you will understand that.
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An occasional RINO does not equate to "the Republican Party is full of spineless hacks", but I doubt that you will understand that.
No, an occasional one does not. However, a whole bunch of the fuckers does.

Do you have an example of a Republican who ISN'T a spineless hack?
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