Then go experience the magic of the search engine of your choice, and do your own research.

It is also interesting that you are moving the bar. Your initial claim was that officers are never charged, and now you want to extend that to convictions.

Matt

Aw, heck, I'm feeling generous.

Here you go - charged, convicted and sentenced to jail : NYPD Officer Sentenced To Jail In Shooting of Unarmed Man - WPIX

Took seconds to find. Perhaps you should do some of this research yourself?

I moved the bar after keeping my promise to retract my initial statement.

You didn't offend me. You said some stupid things and I merely pointed that out.

You're welcome.

List the allegedly stupid things.

Well, you see, it happens. There is no perfect system. I'd say that 99.9% of the time that an unarmed person gets shot by a cop the person was doing something really stupid that got the cop on edge. They are put in situations where they are fearful of their life, all the time (in cities). My buddy is a Baltimore cop and he was chasing a guy who had a bag. The guy couldn't get away and reached into his bag. My buddy shot him and now that guy resides in Mother Earth. What did the guy have in the bag? An AK-47. The guy was 15 feet away. If he had turned and gotten any shots off that hit him he would have been dead or maimed. The vest would have done jack. You simply can't take the chance that the dude is reaching into the bag because he it going to pull out a teddy bear.

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A Teddy bear or a walley as one idiot did in NYC. 10 years ago, Amadou Diallo was shot 19 times when instead of putting up his hands as he was instructed by the NYC police, reached for his wallet in a darkened doorway.
Do what you're told by the police. Stay away from situations where police will have to take action and you don't have to worry about getting shot.
Reaching for something in your pocket is suicide by cop. Cops are human beings that get called on daily to play God. They are just human. They have no better eyes than the rest of us and are not clairvoyant. They are on the scene trying to protect themselves and the public. If you think that you have the right to call your lawyer when asked to show your hands and you reach for your cell phone, then you deserve to get shot for the idiot you are. Making this the cop's fault is just plain stupid.

In the vast majority of states, an ordinary citizen can only legally shoot someone in self-defense under a very narrow range of conditions. Essentially, deadly force must be present, and the option for retreat must be unavailable. Cops can butcher people who are not even presenting deadly force.

I challenge each of you to name what it is that prevents cops from shooting random innocent people, when few or no witnesses are nearby, and claiming that the victims "appeared" to be armed.

On a side note, what do each of you have to say about the blue wall of silence (cops will cover up misconduct of other cops, no matter how egregious---if another cop rapes and murders a three year old girl, the evil blue wall of silence is there to protect the evil bastard), police corruption, police lies (covering up their mistakes, such as when they entered an innocent elderly Atlanta woman's home and murdered her, and then planted drugs in her home)?

Discuss the topic and not one another, please.

OK, so let's sum up.

The initial contention was that police shoot unarmed people and are not ever charged. That contention was laid to rest with a few seconds of basic internet searching.

So then, the contention moved and became the contention that police officers are never convicted for shooting unarmed people. Once again, a few seconds of research showed this new, improved premise to be as false as the first.

Now, it appears that the bar has been moved again, and now has been tied to a very nebulous and subjective qualifier based on the jurisdiction (which pretty much lets you dismiss any example of prosecution).

It seems to me that your premise in the opening of the thread has been quashed both in it's original form and in the follow-on. Discussion of the third form with the jurisdictional qualifier is moot, IMHO, because of the criteria you have set is completely arbitrary and easily malleable.

Matt

Wow. I'd love to know more about that. Guilty cops are never charged in the DC area, that I know of.

Wait... what? Now I know why the crime is so high! One is working while the rest are busy with doing everything else!

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Doesn't suck! My wife likes to say that we live in someone else's postcard. Hard to argue with that.

My take on the topic is this:

Cops have a suck job that not everyone can do. Anyone who has to strap on a vest to go to work gets thenod from me.

If a cop believes a perp has a gun, I have no problem with the cop aerating said perp. In instances of obvious wrongdoing on the part of the cop, I support hammering the shit out of him. But I will always give deference to the guy with that badge. Always.

I disagree with Tanngrisnir3 on many issues, and he and I have had several confrontations here. But I will always respect what he does. I served as a military cop for three years; had to draw my sidearm only once. Tanngrisnir3 goes to work every day knowing that he may have to do it. He goes to work every day knowing that someone may draw down on him. He goes to work knowing that he might not get home that night. And he does it voluntarily.

That commands respect, as far as I'm concerned...

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You moved the bar after being proven wrong.

Big difference...

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