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Steve · #31 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Rationalist

In the vast majority of states, an ordinary citizen can only legally shoot someone in self-defense under a very narrow range of conditions. Essentially, deadly force must be present, and the option for retreat must be unavailable.

That's actually not required...

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I challenge each of you to name what it is that prevents cops from shooting random innocent people

I challenge you to illustrate the epidemic of cops shooting random nnocent people...

John Drake · #32 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Rationalist

In the vast majority of states, an ordinary citizen can only legally shoot someone in self-defense under a very narrow range of conditions. Essentially, deadly force must be present, and the option for retreat must be unavailable. Cops can butcher people who are not even presenting deadly force.

I challenge each of you to name what it is that prevents cops from shooting random innocent people, when few or no witnesses are nearby, and claiming that the victims "appeared" to be armed.

On a side note, what do each of you have to say about the blue wall of silence (cops will cover up misconduct of other cops, no matter how egregious---if another cop rapes and murders a three year old girl, the evil blue wall of silence is there to protect the evil bastard), police corruption, police lies (covering up their mistakes, such as when they entered an innocent elderly Atlanta woman's home and murdered her, and then planted drugs in her home)?

Maybe this is why more and more police depts are taping most everything.

There is a branch within all of them called Internal Affairs, it is, AFAIK, the most challenging kind of police work there is.

Rationalist · #33 (**permalink**) 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by Steve

You moved the bar after being proven wrong.

Big difference...

Here you demonstrate gross ignorance of the scientific method. In science, Proposition A is abandoned all the time when experiments falsify it, whereupon Proposition B is formulated.

There are two ironies here:

First, if science didn't work this way, you wouldn't have the computer that you used to make your bizarre statement.

Second, the dishonor that you implied that exists in searching for the truth according to the scientific method is a misconception that is common to religious freaks, but as far as I know, you're not a religious freak, so one would think that you'd know better than to think that forumulating a proposition that turns out to be wrong, and then formularting a new one, is dishonorable.

Steve · #34 (**permalink**) 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by Rationalist

Second, the dishonor that you implied that exists in searching for the truth according to the scientific method is a misconception that is common to religious freaks, but as far as I know, you're not a religious freak, so one would think that you'd know better than to think that forumulating a proposition that turns out to be wrong, and then formularting a new one, is dishonorable.

"Dishonor"?

Such a flair for the dramatic.

Actually, I was just commenting on you being called on your bullshit.

You've failed on many levels here.

You've failed to illustrate that the point made in yout OP is a valid one. You've offered nothing to show that it's true. In fact, examples to prove your "point" is untrue have been given.

Yours is not an example of "scientific method", it's an example of back-pedaling, and nothing more...

BillyWitchDr. · #35 (**permalink**) 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

Another well publicized case: BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant Timeline

Incidentally, if you Google "police shoot unarmed", you get thousands of results. Your contention that they are never charged is just folly.

Matt

Your link is not helping your case, if this guy was a civilian security guard, that shot a handcuffed, unarmed man laying face down and prone on the ground, do you think his trial would look the same? I think he would be rotting in a prison cell a few weeks after the incident, not wrapped up in a three ring circus trial nearly a year after the incident.

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