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Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

Over the years, there have been numerous cases of police shooting unarmed people, claiming that the victims "appeared" to be armed, or reaching for a weapon that was not there. I am not aware of any case where the cop(s) responsible were charged with anything. In rare cases, the departments involved were successfully sued and/or the cop(s) responsible were dismissed and hired as cops elsewhere.

In my opinion, a cop who shoots an unarmed individual should be charged with manslaughter as an absolute minimum. There should be a federal law that forces DAs to file such charges whenever an unarmed person is killed by the police, regardless of how that person "appeared."

If a cop shoots someone old enough to be able to hold a weapon, and claims that that individual "appeared" to have a weapon, and have an almost zero chance of being charged with manslaughter, or any other felony, then the police have the de facto right to summarily execute nearly anyone whom they please.

If anyone knows of so much as one case wherein the cop(s) was/were charged with a felony for shooting an unarmed person despite claiming that the victim "appeared" to be armed, I will retract my position upon proof of the existence of said case.

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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

There was a hugely publicized case in New York City a short while ago, and there have been many others.

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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

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There was a hugely publicized case in New York City a short while ago, and there have been many others.

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obviously we just have not seen the link that demonstrates our ignorance !
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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

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I will retract my position upon proof of the existence of said case.
This is in response to post # 2.
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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

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Over the years, there have been numerous cases of police shooting unarmed people, claiming that the victims "appeared" to be armed, or reaching for a weapon that was not there. I am not aware of any case where the cop(s) responsible were charged with anything. In rare cases, the departments involved were successfully sued and/or the cop(s) responsible were dismissed and hired as cops elsewhere.

In my opinion, a cop who shoots an unarmed individual should be charged with manslaughter as an absolute minimum. There should be a federal law that forces DAs to file such charges whenever an unarmed person is killed by the police, regardless of how that person "appeared."

If a cop shoots someone old enough to be able to hold a weapon, and claims that that individual "appeared" to have a weapon, and have an almost zero chance of being charged with manslaughter, or any other felony, then the police have the de facto right to summarily execute nearly anyone whom they please.

If anyone knows of so much as one case wherein the cop(s) was/were charged with a felony for shooting an unarmed person despite claiming that the victim "appeared" to be armed, I will retract my position upon proof of the existence of said case.
Wow. You really picked a bad handle.
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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

Well, there was that one case recently were a homeowner holding an intruding burglar at gunpoint was shot in his own home by responding police, a tragic failure to communicate on both sides which would have remained a tragic accident had the officers not been caught on tape conspiring to cover it up.

But in the overwhelming number of cases I think people underestimate the level of stupidity required to get yourself in situation to be shot by police.
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Took 2 seconds to Google.

Police officers indicted in shooting of unarmed groom | Jet | Find Articles at BNET

Indictments were returned for manslaughter.

This thing was all over the news, and I cannot imagine how you missed it.

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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

Another well publicized case: BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant Timeline

Incidentally, if you Google "police shoot unarmed", you get thousands of results. Your contention that they are never charged is just folly.

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Wow. You really picked a bad handle.
To your credit, at least you didn't pick "Unbiased, objective indvidual" as your handle, Mr. Police Officer (of course, your sarcastic objection could be totally coincidental).

Explain how the refusal of DAs to prosecute a cop whenever s/he shoots an unarmed individual does not constitute a de facto right for cops to summarily excute people. If a cop can simply shoot a person, and have nearly zero chance (the small chance of their evil deed being caught on camera notwithstanding) of being charged with a felony by simply claiming that this individual "appeared" to have a weapon, then cops do in fact have a de facto right to summarily execute people.
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Well, there was that one case recently were a homeowner holding an intruding burglar at gunpoint was shot in his own home by responding police, a tragic failure to communicate on both sides which would have remained a tragic accident had the officers not been caught on tape conspiring to cover it up.
Be careful, you don't want to offend the LA area cop.
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Be careful, you don't want to offend the LA area cop.
Why would I want to go to LA to begin with?
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Re: Police in this country have the de facto right to summarily execute innocents

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Police officers indicted in shooting of unarmed groom | Jet | Find Articles at BNET

Indictments were returned for manslaughter.

This thing was all over the news, and I cannot imagine how you missed it.

Matt
Fair enough. I will now modify my position: If a cop shoots someone old enough to be able to hold a weapon, and claims that that individual "appeared" to have a weapon, and have an almost zero chance of being charged with manslaughter, or any other felony,---due to NOT being in a jurisdiction where such unjustified shootings have been so common so as to create such a massive shitstorm [see link below] that tremendous political pressure was created to do the right thing the next time one of said shootings transpired--- then the police have the de facto right to summarily execute nearly anyone whom they please.

Yeah, the right thing happened in that case, but it was like pulling teeth, because things like the following had to happen over and over and over before the right thing was finally done: Amadou Diallo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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To your credit, at least you didn't pick "Unbiased, objective indvidual" as your handle, Mr. Police Officer (of course, your sarcastic objection could be totally coincidental).

Explain how the refusal of DAs to prosecute a cop whenever s/he shoots an unarmed individual does not constitute a de facto right for cops to summarily excute people. If a cop can simply shoot a person, and have nearly zero chance (the small chance of their evil deed being caught on camera notwithstanding) of being charged with a felony by simply claiming that this individual "appeared" to have a weapon, then cops do in fact have a de facto right to summarily execute people.
There are many instances of police officers being charged in shootings. I'm not sure where you get this idea that DA's refuse "to prosecute a cop whenever s/he shoots an unarmed individual".

Your posts represent a de facto demonstration that you are unaware of what is actually happening with regard to this topic.

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Why would I want to go to LA to begin with?


seruiously ! I've been there, it was not worth the trip. San Diego is nice though.
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There are many instances of police officers being charged in shootings. I'm not sure where you get this idea that DA's refuse "to prosecute a cop whenever s/he shoots an unarmed individual".

Your posts represent a de facto demonstration that you are unaware of what is actually happening with regard to this topic.

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I would like to be shown a case wherein a cop was convicted for shooting an unarmed person.
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