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Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

CBC News - Politics - MPs vote to abolish long-gun registry

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The federal long-gun registry moved one step closer to being abolished as MPs voted Wednesday in the House of Commons to scrap the controversial program.

With support from 18 Liberals and New Democrats, the private member's bill passed second reading 164-137, and now goes to committee.

If passed, Bill C-391 would scrap the decade-old registry and destroy existing data within the system on about seven million shotguns and rifles.
I didn't see this one coming. Police are up in arms but I'm reserving my opinion until I know more.
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

A step in the right direction for Canada.
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

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CBC News - Politics - MPs vote to abolish long-gun registry



I didn't see this one coming. Police are up in arms but I'm reserving my opinion until I know more.


The article mentions that the registr has been used 2.5 million times but gives no indication is that was beneficial (as opposed to procedural).

Do you hapopen to know if it has actually made a difference ? Helped solve a cime as an example.
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

As usual it's the Liberals correcting the problems of the past and it's the Conservatives trying to prevent freedom. How typical.
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As usual it's the Liberals correcting the problems of the past and it's the Conservatives trying to prevent freedom. How typical.
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With support from 18 Liberals and New Democrats, the private member's bill passed second reading 164-137, and now goes to committee.
Those 18 crossed party lines to vote with Conservatives.

Nice try though.
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As usual it's the Liberals correcting the problems of the past and it's the Conservatives trying to prevent freedom. How typical.
How in the living fuck do you consider closing the registry PREVENTING freedom?

HELLO! It hasnt worked! It has cost an assload of money, not solved a single crime, made criminals out of people who have done nothing wrong, and has had less than 2% compliance since its inception.

Personally, I consider this a smart move on Canada's part.
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

Good job, Canada.
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Wait! What? Did I miss something?
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

hmmmm, seems many other countries these days are moving more and more conservative, while the US has been moving to the left.

Perhaps other nations have learned something while we have forgotten.

Either way, great job Canada.
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hmmmm, seems many other countries these days are moving more and more conservative, while the US has been moving to the left.

Perhaps other nations have learned something while we have forgotten.

Either way, great job Canada.
Well, a Democrat here would be a right wing extremist in many eyes elsewhere and to the right of most if not all of the major parties. The US going left and them going right just might make plenty of things right. After all, the truth is indeed often in the middle.

And yes, good job Canada. It will save time and money on something proven to be totally ineffective. It's not even alone in this assessment. For example, New Zealand abolished its firearm registry system back in 1983 after proving to be a waste of time and money insofar as effectiveness for either limiting or solving crime. The British and Australian police and police in other countries have reached a similar conclusion after doing it.

As for Canada's experience with it:

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Canada’s recently elected new Government has decided to abandon the firearms registry. It had been demonstrated that the Canadian licensing and registration system was not cost-effective and had not reduced crime. Research had shown that 71 per cent of firearm licenses were found to have errors, and over 250,000 guns were registered with the same serial numbers as stolen guns. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police had said that they had no faith in the registry’s information, which listed barely more than half the country’s guns or gun owners. Moreover, the firearms register had not saved any lives: while gun homicide numbers were indeed down, the proportion of domestic homicides involving guns had not declined. Nor had the overall homicide rate declined, stressing that the actual increase in homicides suggested that crime rates were driven by sociological factors, such as the percentage of youth in a total population, and social conditions, rather than the availability of one method of murder. No evidence had been found that blanket gun regulations, even firearms prohibitions, contributed to the reduction of criminal violence.
http://www.gunownerssa.org/documents...gistration.htm

It was just one of those ideas that on its face seems like it would be useful for law enforcement, but it is not.
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As usual it's the Liberals correcting the problems of the past and it's the Conservatives trying to prevent freedom. How typical.
Even by your standards of your general nonsensary, that statement is utterly ridiculous.
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B]However, there is unwavering support for the gun registry from such groups as the Coalition for Gun Control, the Canadian Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association.
In other words the police are totally against the idea but what the hell would they know.
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In other words the police are totally against the idea but what the hell would they know.
As has been explained to you about a bazillion times, the police chiefs are purely political animals and are typically out of touch with the rank and file.

Of course, we shouldn't expect you to actually learn a damn thing that is based in fact and doesn't agree with your prejudices and emotions.
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

There was a graph in my local paper today that showed gun deaths per 100K people has been steadily on the decline for the last 30 years and in the last ten years since the registry went into effect, the numbers have actually increased, indicating that the registry has has little to no effect whatsoever.

As a liberal, these statistics seem to run counter to what I would normally believe would happen and I'm not afraid to admit this. It would seem that the more conservative position is the correct one with regard to the gun licensing issue. Ideology should never get in the way of facts as it often does (ahem, healthcare).
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Re: Canada votes to scrap billion dollar firearms registry

Yup - registration fails because law-abiding gun owners aren't the ones committing crimes, and criminals won't register their guns.

Good on you, Danny, for placing facts before ideology.
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