Having an illegal pay your taxes only leaves an American out of work, collecting unemployment or welfare. A net revenue loss.

Of course, since were talking about an illegal with stolen IDs, they are probably collecting welfare as well.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

Except that we've already demonstrated with, you know, evidence, that immigrants, regardless of legal status, are an economic net plus.

When you want to start posting with, you know, evidence, be my guest.

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They are? I don't think you've demonstrated anything.

Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually

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FAIR?... is a hate group. I can dig up the SPLC report on them if you're interested.

What that "study" by a hate group (so we can go ahead and understand that there's no reason to think that it is remotely unbiased) fails to do, is take into account the economic contribution of immigrant labour. Hint, it's not all taxes.

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Because your data is tainted by irrelevant information, and it is impossible to discern the difference between legal and criminal immigration in your data, as has been spelled out for you several times by several posters.

Let me ask you this, do you think it's fair to all the legal immigrants from all over the world who played by the rules, (IE waited in line, passed the immigration test, learned English, ect) for these criminals to selfishly cut to the front of line, thus limiting the amount of legal immigrants the US accepts each year? Is that alright that, just due to thier proximity to the US, these illegals from latin america can come here at will and cut infront of impoverished people from all around the world who do not have that option?

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Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

Our immigration system is broken. If you're mad about that, don't blame the people who are only trying so feed their families.

Edit: Data that refers to both documented and undocumented immigrants applies to both. Is that so hard to understand?

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what many seem to fail to grasp is that the distinction between legal and illegal immigration doesn't even really matter. if you were really "pro legal immigration, just anti illegal immigration," you would support easing our immigration laws and making it easier for people to enter the country.

what if we just decided that anyone who wanted in could get in, thus making all immigration legal? wouldn't that be a perfectly sound solution to the "illegal" immigration problem?

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The nonesense about "hate" aside, you would have a valid point if we had very low unemployment, but considering the fact that unemployment is currently around 10%, and the fact that criminal immigrants make up about 2% of the population means any and all illegal immigrant labor contribution is 100% replaceable by Americans.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

You didn't answer the question, do you think it's fair that these sanctuary cities are not only allowing, but encouraging these criminals to break the law at the expense of impoverished people from the rest of the world who are willing to play by the rules and come here legally?

Sure it applies to both together, but it does not apply to either on thier own, which is exactly what we are discussing here - Do you hear yourself?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

I like Seattle,

This is a complex issue. The "wall of shame" which divides Mexico from America hasnt helped and taints Americas image abroad. Bye the way, Euorpe has the very same problem with Africa and the Middle East countries.

I see to options: a Marschall Plan for Mexico and South America in oder to keep these poor people at home. (How broke are we?) Maybe we could finance this project by becoming a peaceful nation like Canada.

The next option would be by helping them find work in America.

Both ideas would be unpopular. If Americans hate their own poor, than why should they help foreigners?