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Old 11-28-2009
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Man Faces Years In Canadian Jail For Little-Known Law
Canadians will welcome you and your money when the winter Olympics begin in February. But trying to take something else across the border could land you in jail.

Gerald Burke of Tacoma knows that first hand, and is facing an uncertain future because of it.

“The charge that the Crown is after is that I do three years in prison,” he told KIRO 7 Investigative Reporter Amy Clancy recently.

Burke says it was a simple mistake, but the Canadian government calls what Burke allegedly did a serious criminal offense.

Burke remembers the day in February when he was arrested while crossing into British Columbia at the Peace Arch: “Mr. Burke, put your hands behind your back. You are under arrest for smuggling a gun into Canada.”

Burke's loaded semi-automatic 9-millimeter handgun was discovered by Canada Border Services Agency officers in the center console of his SUV. Burke is licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the states, but Canadian laws dictate all firearms must be declared at the border. Handguns are strictly prohibited.

Clancy asked Burke, “did you know that it was in your vehicle at the time?”
Burke: “I did not.” Clancy: “Did you just forget?”
Burke: “I just forgot.”

Man Faces Years In Canadian Jail For Little-Known Law - Money News Story - KIRO Seattle
I've got zero sympathy for this guy. You don't just "forget" where you put a loaded firearm.

With every right comes corresponding responsibilities and when you fail to live up to those responsibilities there are consequences.

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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

He's lucky he wasn't driving into Mexico.

Yeah, I've little sympathy for him, as well. That said, I would be surprised if the guy saw a day of jail time...
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Old 11-28-2009
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

Granted, that was a terrible excuse.

But does the nation of Canada really have such a disdain for self defense to imprison him for something he earned the legal right to do here? Do our laws have so little standing to offer no protection in this case?

Seizing the weapon for the duration of his stay would have been appropriate, whether he knew it was there or not. If there was a shred of evidence he was up to no good, show him the door.

I'm sick of the so called "human rights crowd" withholding all means of preserving those rights for their hired guns.
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Granted, that was a terrible excuse.

But does the nation of Canada really have such a disdain for self defense to imprison him for something he earned the legal right to do here? Do our laws have so little standing to offer no protection in this case?

Seizing the weapon for the duration of his stay would have been appropriate, whether he knew it was there or not. If there was a shred of evidence he was up to no good, show him the door.

I'm sick of the so called "human rights crowd" withholding all means of preserving those rights for their hired guns.
See, I have to disagree here.

We expect visitors to this country to obey our laws, do we not?

We should not take offense, then, when other countries expect that we obey theirs.

Our laws don't have any standing there, nor should they. Just because he has the right to do something here should, in no way, mean that he should be given deference there.

You say his weapon should've been seized. I'm certain it was. But then you say that if he was shown to be up to no good, he should be shown the door. Again, I disagree. If he was shown to be up to no good, he should be arrested, charged, tried and, if appropriate, convicted.

And that should happen because that's what we should do here to visitors who break our laws...
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

If I believed for a minute that man was the worlds dumbest gun smuggler, I'd be inclined to agree.

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Burke is now charged with five criminal counts, including gun smuggling, lying to border guards, and possessing 85 rounds of ammunition 'for a purpose dangerous to the public peace or for the purpose of committing an offence."
But those charges are as trumped up as Canadian "bacon".

This man is guilty of nothing more than taking for granted his own rights.
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If I believed for a minute that man was the worlds dumbest gun smuggler, I'd be inclined to agree.



But those charges are as trumped up as Canadian "bacon".

This man is guilty of nothing more than taking for granted his own rights.
Many Muslims believe they have the right to commit honor murders. When they kill their daughters for sleeping with an infidel, are they not "taking for granted (thier) own rights"? In this country, honor killing is not a right, nor is carrying a handgun in Canada.

When did Canada pass this law anyway? When I was living in Northern Ontario in the late 60's, most everyone carried a gun. The OPP never had a problem with the .45 on my hip.
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Granted, that was a terrible excuse.

But does the nation of Canada really have such a disdain for self defense to imprison him for something he earned the legal right to do here?
All that ends at the border, once he steps across he is in a place where it's a serious crime to be in possession of a handgun.
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Do our laws have so little standing to offer no protection in this case?
Our laws mean diddle across the border.
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Seizing the weapon for the duration of his stay would have been appropriate, whether he knew it was there or not. If there was a shred of evidence he was up to no good, show him the door.
Seizing a kilo of Cocaine found in someone's bag for the duration of their stay might be appropriate, if they forgot they had put it in their suitcase, but it probably wouldn't happen.
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I'm sick of the so called "human rights crowd" withholding all means of preserving those rights for their hired guns.
He'll get a fair trial, all his rights under the Canadian Constitution will be respected, he'll be kept in a humane prison, no problem there.
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If I believed for a minute that man was the worlds dumbest gun smuggler, I'd be inclined to agree.



But those charges are as trumped up as Canadian "bacon".

This man is guilty of nothing more than taking for granted his own rights.
His right to own a gun doesn't apply in Canada and if the idiot can't obey the laws of the country he's visiting, then he deserves to be arrested.
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

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Our laws mean diddle across the border.
They mean fuck all in our own borders given the way Mexicans come over...

Nobody seems to have any respect for anyone's borders by the looks of it...
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

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If I believed for a minute that man was the worlds dumbest gun smuggler, I'd be inclined to agree.



But those charges are as trumped up as Canadian "bacon".

This man is guilty of nothing more than taking for granted his own rights.
He had no rights to take advantage of in Canada with respect to carrying a firearm...
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

Why the fuck would anyone want to go to Canada? My desire to ever visit that country ended about the same time their asinine gun control laws were put into effect.
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Re: I've got no sympathy for this guy

"I forgot" is code for "I thought I could just not say anything and they'd never check, and now that I'm busted that's the best excuse I could think of".

That means the lying to border guards charge will probably stick.

I would hope that every single poster who is opposed to illegal aliens in the US condemns this guy for breaking the laws during his visit to Canada.

On a side note, I was informed by some Canadians who saw it in my car (this was years ago) that radar detectors are illegal as well and they will confiscate them if you get pulled over. So we disconnected mine and put it under the seat.
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Old 11-29-2009
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Why the fuck would anyone want to go to Canada? My desire to ever visit that country ended about the same time their asinine gun control laws were put into effect.
So your desire to see the world and famous locations are based solely on whether or not you can carry a handgun along with you? That ought to put your tourist activities to a total standstill...
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Why the fuck would anyone want to go to Canada? My desire to ever visit that country ended about the same time their asinine gun control laws were put into effect.
I love Canada. Western Canada has some amazing landscape which, as a photographer, I completely dig. Banff and Jasper National Parks are amazing. The Old Port of Montreal is a photographer's dream. Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are amazing, as well.

Canada, in and of itself, is great. It's when you add Canadians to the mix that things start getting fucked up.

That said, some of my best friends reside north of the border.

It would be silly to think I wouldn't travel someplace simply because I have no right to carry a gun there...
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He had no rights to take advantage of in Canada with respect to carrying a firearm...
I'm not saying that he had a legally recognized right to carry a firearm into Canada.

I am saying that charges, particularly these charges are unnecessary and gross abuses of power, bordering on persecution.

Burke held a CCW License so he was clearly used to keeping a weapon in his truck. Its there for a purpose, and that purpose was not "dangerous to the public peace or for the purpose of committing an offense". I ran into a similar issue when on jury duty. I carry a swiss army knife everywhere I go. I use the tools on it quite frequently, and yes, should life and limb be threatened, I have that option, but I'm not out to stab people. Not the type to visit the courthouse very often, I didn't consider the possibility of a metal detector. Upon cleaning out my pockets, I was told the knife would have to be held at the desk, not returned to my car, and was required to fill out a form and claim check.

Unlike Mr Burke, I was not arrested under assorted idiotic charges.
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