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Sigh.Originally Posted by August West
Yes, incidents happen. Compared to the number of gun owners, the are EXTREMELY rare.
Again, as the source you chose said: "The ban's effect on crime is 'small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.' "
Look, if all you have is a few anecdotes, and no actual thought or justification for your demand that the rights of others be abridged, then just say so.
If, on the other hand, you actually care about the civil rights of every person and not just those you agree with, then you need to make some effort to rationally justify your demand that the rights of others be abridged.
Matt
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
County Executive
A few anecdotes??? These mass murders are a weekly occurrence in this gun happy nation. We`re an example to the rest of the civilized nations of how NOT to deal with guns. I`m making no demands but I sure am curious as to why you`re so paranoid.
Legend of USPO!
Sigh. Now it's personal attacks.
I'll not waste any more time trying to elicit a rational discussion from you.
“Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.” - Jon Stewart
August West, several years ago, my wife and I were attacked by three armed assailants. I used my legally concealed weapon; a .45 ACP semi-automatic pistol, to defend us.
I killed one of our assailants. One will evacuate into a bag for the rest of his life, and the third fled and was later apprehended by police.
Had I not been armed, I have no doubt that my wife and I would've been killed.
You seem intent on wanting private citizens to lose their Constitutional right to own and carry firearms. As someone who has taken the life of someone who wanted to do me and my wife harm, I would be interested in reading your convincing argument as to why I should not have been permitted to carry, and use, my weapon to protect us...
County Executive
I never said that you shouldn`t be able to have a gun. See what I mean about paranoia?
Well, when you make posts like this, it certainly suggests that you have a very real problem with it:
Did you bother to read the article?
This is one line from it:
A company executive says a warehouse driver who was asked to resign his job refused, then opened fire.
Now, I don't know about you, but I'd be willing to bet the guy didn't walk into the meeting where he was asked to resign carrying an AK-47. While the firearm isn't identified, it would make sense that he used a handgun. So, given your earlier post, it wouldn't be outlandish to conclude that you would support a ban on, at the very least, concealed carry.
But, perhaps I've mistaken your intent.
Despite you caling us a "gun happy" nation, do you support the right of a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed firearm?
County Executive
That`s not a question that could be answered with a simple yes or no. Keep in mind that everyone who`s in jail for shooting someone was a law abiding citizen at one time. Concealed handgun permit holders have killed 9 policeman in 3 years. Another Mass Shooting, More Convictions, and Other Innocent Victims Murdered by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders: VPC Concealed Carry Killers June Update – Gun Guys
Actually, it's a very simple question to answer.
If I wasn't carrying a concealed weapon, my wife and I would be dead.
Do you support my right to carry a concealed weapon to protect myself?
County Executive
You? Probably I would say yes. Everybody? No. It`s pretty easy to get a permit isn`t it?
And how would you go about making the determination as to who gets to do it and who doesn't? What criteria would you use?
I live in California, where it's actually pretty difficult to get one. California is a "may issue" State, which means the State doesn't have to give you a concealed weapons permit. Other States are "will issue", which means that, unless there is a compelling reason to not issue it (criminal history, etc), they must issue the permit...It`s pretty easy to get a permit isn`t it?
President
Their rights were violated by the criminal.
Are you saying that we should now all have our rights violated because of one person's criminal act?
Guns don't kill people. Dads with beautiful daughters kill people.
President
Yes - a few.
No they aren't, and no matter how many times you say that, it wont make it true.
Even if they WERE, it would not mean that the rest of us should be punished because of the criminal behavior of a few.
That is merely YOUR opinion, which we are all well aware is based in emotion rather than facts.
Who said any of us were paranoid? Sounds like the paranoid one is you. You want to force others to be disarmed because of your irrational fear of a tool.
Guns don't kill people. Dads with beautiful daughters kill people.
President
So? 9 in 3 years? In a nation of 300+ million people? You think this is a serious problem?
Guns don't kill people. Dads with beautiful daughters kill people.
County Executive
That`s nine policeman. You`re ok with that?
Administrator
I doubt that anyone is "OK" with accidental shootings or even intentional shootings under bad circumstances but the issue isn't one sided. Cops have, over the years, punched the ticket of several people in "bad shoot" circumstances. The Erik Scott case is one of the most recent.
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