Thread: Here is why banning guns wont work

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

I'm sorry but exactly how will your gun protect you from the government if they decide that you need to be dealt with? I don't care how many friends you have or how big the guns are the US Government has a rather large police force and if you do manage to get past all of them the US Army is quite large as well so I've heard.
It may be in the constitution and the NRA rules but it isn't really relevant any more to say a gun will protect you from the Government.

Mostly true. Just ask ex marine Jose Guerena (you can't), survived a couple tours overseas only to be killed by a SWAT team looking for evidence it didn't find. The lawsuits pending ... small consolation for the taking of a husband and father if they win. It might be nice to take a couple with you though ... another small consolation.

Is it being outgunned that matters or is the right to defend onesself?

out gunned and the punks flee ... a classic. Nice time to have a gun.

Originally Posted by michael h

Is it being outgunned that matters or is the right to defend onesself?

I'm just talking about the idea that a gun can protect you from the government rather than as you say having the ability to defend yourself. You can't really protect yourself from the US government unless you have an ED-209 handy or are some kind of super awesome Ninja if they really think you're are a threat.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

I'm sorry but exactly how will your gun protect you from the government if they decide that you need to be dealt with? I don't care how many friends you have or how big the guns are the US Government has a rather large police force and if you do manage to get past all of them the US Army is quite large as well so I've heard.
It may be in the constitution and the NRA rules but it isn't really relevant any more to say a gun will protect you from the Government.

They worked pretty damn good when we kicked your king out.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

They worked pretty damn good when we kicked your king out.

That's a completely different situation though. You are saying part of the reason you keep a gun is protection for yourself from the government and I'm saying I think that idea is naive at best.
This has nothing to do with events a few hundred years ago.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

That's a completely different situation though. You are saying part of the reason you keep a gun is protection for yourself from the government and I'm saying I think that idea is naive at best.
This has nothing to do with events a few hundred years ago.

Rather die on my feet a free man then live on my knees a slave.

OK but how does that answer my question about how a gun will protect you from the Government?
Would you class me a slave because I live in a country where people don't have guns?

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

I'm just talking about the idea that a gun can protect you from the government rather than as you say having the ability to defend yourself. You can't really protect yourself from the US government unless you have an ED-209 handy or are some kind of super awesome Ninja if they really think you're are a threat.

Kind of still misses the point ... survival's nice ... if not taking a couple with you is OK too. Criminals ... government ... both takers ... little concern for hard working people. Much my point about the ninja too ... I remember a movie with Harrison Ford ... his enemy flashes a sword in fancy fashion ... Ford's character pulls a gun and shoots him. No sweat, not winded, no theatrical movie scene knife fight.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

OK but how does that answer my question about how a gun will protect you from the Government?
Would you class me a slave because I live in a country where people don't have guns?

Its simple ... piss enough people off and you won't want to be driving down the street in any vehicle. You won't want to live in any community. They may take down many ... but better plan on more then a few.

That may be where you and I disagree Michael as I don't see the government as takers or something I need the ability to defend myself against.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

That may be where you and I disagree Michael as I don't see the government as takers or something I need the ability to defend myself against.

You don't live in America ... but I see the UK / GB as the same animal. You don't need to worry about defending yourself ... until the time comes. Not takers? Government? That's a new one.

The time comes for what exactly? I may be hopelessly optimistic here but I'm rather hoping that we won't have a full on revolution any time soon and yes I honestly don't see the government as takers. This may be showing my left wing leanings but I rather like that some of the money I earn goes to help others less fortunate than me and pays for the services I enjoy not that I earn a lot anyway.