Thread: I Rest My Case On Gun Control

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

Except for Obama: America needs "soul searching" on gun violence - Yahoo! News

and

Obama NRA rating raises questions | The Fergus Falls Daily Journal An F rating by the NRA is hard to beat.

ahoy JohnLocke,

i don't have a problem with the POTUS sayin' that Americans ought to reflect on gun violence in the wake 'o a slaughter 'o its citizens. he's just sayin' the opposite 'o yer more favored spokesman, Bill O'Reilly, who said basically, "whaddya goin' to do? stuff like this happens, nothin' we can do about it!".

the Brady Campaign also gave Mr. Obama an "F" ratin', which reflects the skipper's disinterest in gun control.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

According to NRA-ILA | Obama supports new semi-auto ban, if Obama had his way, law abiding folks would not have guns for him to take away.

ahoy JohnLocke,

according to the NRA....

well, thats great matey. hey, accordin' to Stormfront.org its true also.

wonderful sources.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

here be the thing though, me bucko....Mr. Obama already is president. he's been president fer three years now.
also, he's not afraid to put forward legislation that'll play poorly in the MSMs and the voters. the Affordable Care Act proves this.

ehhh, I think gun politics is a far bigger political grenade than the ACA. Would make more political sense for him to move on it when he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy JohnLocke,

according to the NRA....

well, thats great matey. hey, accordin' to Stormfront.org its true also.

wonderful sources.

- MeadHallPirate

Sorry, mate, but I gotta throw a flag on this one. Equating the NRA with Stormfront be utter bullshit, aye?

The NRA page contains a quote from an official White House transcript, and a link to the transcript itself. And that it the extent of it. I've personally compared the quote on the NRA website with the official transcript on the White House website, and they match word for word. Kindly explain your objection to the NRA page that would prompt you to compare it to Stormfront, if ye would.

I'll take your word for what Stormfront has, since I've no interest in visiting that shithole.

But seriously, did you look at the NRA page? Or are you just engaging in a reductio ad Hitlerium by proxy here?

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

ehhh, I think gun politics is a far bigger political grenade than the ACA. Would make more political sense for him to move on it when he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected.

ahoy Thorhammer,

sure it would, matey, 'cept that right after he moves to o'erturn the 2nd Amendment, every Democrat in congress is goin' to be lookin' fer work (since they'll be unemployed soon thereafter). they will be runnin' fer re-election, reasonably speakin', thar be nothin' at all the right would savor more than a true blue gun bannin' liberal in the White House - it would mean the end 'o the Democratic Party.

never happen me hearty, fear not.

gun control laws are goin' to ebb and flow a wee bit, dependin' which entity holds the reigns 'o power, but thats about it.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Sorry, mate, but I gotta throw a flag on this one. Equating the NRA with Stormfront be utter bullshit, aye?

ahoy MattLarson,

i agree fully that i was engagin' in hyperbole here. as a member meself (of the NRA, not Stormfront), i'd admit that equatin' the NRA and Stormfront.org isn't really fair...though i feel certain that thar be robust crossover in its membership, yer right.

but ye get me point, aye?

John Locke's reasonin' that "if the NRA says it, it must be true", seems like weak stuff to me. we make fun 'o each other here fer quotin' clearly partisan sources, do we not?

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Thorhammer,

sure it would, matey, 'cept that right after he moves to o'erturn the 2nd Amendment, every Democrat in congress is goin' to be lookin' fer work (since they'll be unemployed soon thereafter). they will be runnin' fer re-election, reasonably speakin', thar be nothin' at all the right would savor more than a true blue gun bannin' liberal in the White House - it would mean the end 'o the Democratic Party.

never happen me hearty, fear not.

gun control laws are goin' to ebb and flow a wee bit, dependin' which entity holds the reigns 'o power, but thats about it.

- MeadHallPirate

I'm not one that thinks he'll do away with the 2nd Amendment. Such a move would be political suicide for the Democrats for years to come.

However, I wouldn't put it past him and the Democrats to go as far as they dare though. Bringing back the Assault Weapons Ban along with an outright ban on possession of such weapons (which means no grandfather clause), for example.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

I'm not one that thinks he'll do away with the 2nd Amendment. Such a move would be political suicide for the Democrats for years to come.

However, I wouldn't put it past him and the Democrats to go as far as they dare though. Bringing back the Assault Weapons Ban along with an outright ban on possession of such weapons (which means no grandfather clause), for example.

ahoy Thorhammer,

maybe, i don't know matey. most the GOP probably doesn't want to be makin' a case at stump speech after stump speech on the necessity 'o assault weapons - its not quite the optics they seek, so maybe yer right. the thing is, yer probably wrong (i say that respectfully), as i've seen little evidence that Mr. Obama cares about the issue (beyond issuein' the same talkin' points when pressed on the topic).

i have to head to work now, aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy OldmanDan,





here be the thing though, me bucko....Mr. Obama already is president. he's been president fer three years now.
also, he's not afraid to put forward legislation that'll play poorly in the MSMs and the voters. the Affordable Care Act proves this.

he has no interest in confiscatin' yer guns, and he's shown no inclination to either.

- MeadHallPirate

Obama's positions on gun control before he became President

Barack Obama on Gun Control

The only reason he hasn't done anything to promote these issues is because he wants to get reelected and he had no support in Congress for them. Obama is more anti-gun as any President we have ever had.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Obama's positions on gun control before he became President

Barack Obama on Gun Control

The only reason he hasn't done anything to promote these issues is because he wants to get reelected and he had no support in Congress for them. Obama is more anti-gun as any President we have ever had.

ahoy OldmanDan,

rhetoric versus reality, matey.

there

is

a

difference.

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy OldmanDan,

rhetoric versus reality, matey.

there

is

a

difference.

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

The reality is what he is able to accomplish, not about what he believes. He simply doesn't have the support from Democrats to do a lot of things he would love to do.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

The reality is what he is able to accomplish, not about what he believes. He simply doesn't have the support from Democrats to do a lot of things he would love to do.

You say that like it matters. If he wants it, he just writes an EO...

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

You say that like it matters. If he wants it, he just writes an EO...

Executive orders do have limitations. While they can be abused and Obama has abused them, they only apply to the Executive Branch of government. Obama has ordered his subordinates to ignore some laws, in violation of his oath of office. If we had a Congress with gonads, Obama would be impeached for such actions. He gets away with it because you can't impeach the first black gay President.