Thread: I Rest My Case On Gun Control

That is what I have been saying for years and pointing out the "Knife Culture" in England and with articles from England to support my statements.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Teenager kills 8 , wounds 5 in China knife attack

News from The Associated Press

Mass murderers will find a way if guns are banned.

Of course they do. People kill people. I have never seen a knife, a gun, a ball bat, a hammer, a car, a shank, a bow and arrow, a sling, or anything else kill one single soul in my entire life.

The founders wanted to make sure the People could take their gov't back if they needed to. These anti gun people are doing nothing more than giving tyrants an easy path to tyranny. And just like the far right, the far left have defective brains. And I believe that to the core.

When the day comes that evil does not drive men, I will join in and agree to melt every gun down and turn it into plow shears. But until that time, get your damn hands away from the tool of freedom. Guns gave us freedom, and only guns will ever take it back. Good grief!

There are plenty of dems out here, like me that will join in with the repubs if they ever try to ban our tool of freedom. So, it ain't gonna happen. You want an all out cvil war 2? Try to come and get these 300 million guns. I don't mind dying for a good cause. And this old fucker can shoot straight. That bullet proof vest ain't shit when you hit em in the head.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Of course they do. People kill people. I have never seen a knife, a gun, a ball bat, a hammer, a car, a shank, a bow and arrow, a sling, or anything else kill one single soul in my entire life.

The founders wanted to make sure the People could take their gov't back if they needed to. These anti gun people are doing nothing more than giving tyrants an easy path to tyranny. And just like the far right, the far left have defective brains. And I believe that to the core.

When the day comes that evil does not drive men, I will join in and agree to melt every gun down and turn it into plow shears. But until that time, get your damn hands away from the tool of freedom. Guns gave us freedom, and only guns will ever take it back. Good grief!

Who are you and what have you done with Blue Doggy?

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Of course they do. People kill people. I have never seen a knife, a gun, a ball bat, a hammer, a car, a shank, a bow and arrow, a sling, or anything else kill one single soul in my entire life.

The founders wanted to make sure the People could take their gov't back if they needed to. These anti gun people are doing nothing more than giving tyrants an easy path to tyranny. And just like the far right, the far left have defective brains. And I believe that to the core.

When the day comes that evil does not drive men, I will join in and agree to melt every gun down and turn it into plow shears. But until that time, get your damn hands away from the tool of freedom. Guns gave us freedom, and only guns will ever take it back. Good grief!

There are plenty of dems out here, like me that will join in with the repubs if they ever try to ban our tool of freedom. So, it ain't gonna happen. You want an all out cvil war 2? Try to come and get these 300 million guns. I don't mind dying for a good cause. And this old fucker can shoot straight. That bullet proof vest ain't shit when you hit em in the head.

But you're still OK with other peoples' guns being taken away, so long as people keep their "damn hands away from the tool of [your] freedom", right?

Originally Posted by MattInFla

But you're still OK with other peoples' guns being taken away, so long as people keep their "damn hands away from the tool of [your] freedom", right?

I have NEVER been in support of taking our guns away. I have been in favor of limiting some of these war rifles with 100 round drums and such. Because it is a sensible thing to do. As america becomes sicker and sicker, I don't want to have to match these guys fire power, by having to have a gun with a hundred round drum. I remember reading about the era that the gov't banned fully auto weapons, because the mobs were using them to spray the streets in their gang warfare back then, killing innocent people. This is no different, except for the rate of fire. The capacity to load on sunday and shoot all week is what bothers me. What good is my 15 shot clip pistol against a hundred round drum? It is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. So, for public safety we can at least limit these damn things. I see nothing wrong with that, in fact, it is the sensible, intelligent thing to do.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Who are you and what have you done with Blue Doggy?

You ain't been here long enough to know that while I am a progressive or liberal or whatever, it is of the OLD TYPE. Just like my daddy, and my grandpa. Sensible FDR democrats, Truman democrats, Ike democrats. The only democrats that had some damn sense. We are a dying breed. That is why I had to vote for Ross years ago.

Hell, I could be a republican if they were like the old repubs like Ike. But like the left, they have went over the cliff, and got crazy as hell. And that leaves us sensible people without a party we can really get behind. We end up having to choose which one is the lessor of two evils. Which means both of them are about as evil as you can get. It's a helluva note. Beam me up Scotty, their ain't no intelligent lifeforms down here.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Teenager kills 8 , wounds 5 in China knife attack

News from The Associated Press

Mass murderers will find a way if guns are banned.

ahoy OldmanDan,

*ponders and concentrates*

so, yer sayin' that someone who be driven to commit violence, is gonna commit that violence, guns or no guns, aye?

are ye sayin' that bannin' guns would achieve no good purpose, because ye can't legislate violence away?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I have NEVER been in support of taking our guns away. I have been in favor of limiting some of these war rifles with 100 round drums and such. Because it is a sensible thing to do. As america becomes sicker and sicker, I don't want to have to match these guys fire power, by having to have a gun with a hundred round drum. I remember reading about the era that the gov't banned fully auto weapons, because the mobs were using them to spray the streets in their gang warfare back then, killing innocent people. This is no different, except for the rate of fire. The capacity to load on sunday and shoot all week is what bothers me. What good is my 15 shot clip pistol against a hundred round drum? It is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. So, for public safety we can at least limit these damn things. I see nothing wrong with that, in fact, it is the sensible, intelligent thing to do.

You've just been in support of taking those guns away from people that aren't, in your words, "pretty". In other words, "take their guns away because they are scary, but leave mine alone". News flash, old man, you're "pretty guns" are just as war like as an AR15. Know the M1A? Pretty wood stock. 5, 10, and 20 round magazines. Made for war.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy OldmanDan,

*ponders and concentrates*

so, yer sayin' that someone who be driven to commit violence, is gonna commit that violence, guns or no guns, aye?

are ye sayin' that bannin' guns would achieve no good purpose, because ye can't legislate violence away?

- MeadHallPirate

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

You've just been in support of taking those guns away from people that aren't, in your words, "pretty". In other words, "take their guns away because they are scary, but leave mine alone". News flash, old man, you're "pretty guns" are just as war like as an AR15.

Bullshit, if you cannot discern my stance on this from the two above posts, why should I piss into the wind by going over it again?

My trouble is, I grew up and lived around guns that were not owned for the testosterone these military looking rifles excite. And again, if you want hundred round clips, and short rifles, join the god damned military. They will give you one, and you can even fire it fully auto. Just keep them and their cousins off of my streets. I don't live in afganistan.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy OldmanDan,

*ponders and concentrates*

so, yer sayin' that someone who be driven to commit violence, is gonna commit that violence, guns or no guns, aye?

are ye sayin' that bannin' guns would achieve no good purpose, because ye can't legislate violence away?

- MeadHallPirate

That would be what he's saying. Banning guns serves only to take them out of the hands of those who are inclined to obey the law in the first place. Gun bans are like a lock on a screen door.

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Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Bullshit, if you cannot discern my stance on this from the two above posts, why should I piss into the wind by going over it again?

My trouble is, I grew up and lived around guns that were not owned for the testosterone these military looking rifles excite. And again, if you want hundred round clips, and short rifles, join the god damned military. They will give you one, and you can even fire it fully auto. Just keep them and their cousins off of my streets. I don't live in afganistan.

What you seem to be missing is, if you go after a certain design based purely upon its looks, you are accomplishing NOTHING. It is no different than trying to stop speeding by banning red cars.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Bullshit, if you cannot discern my stance on this from the two above posts, why should I piss into the wind by going over it again?

My trouble is, I grew up and lived around guns that were not owned for the testosterone these military looking rifles excite. And again, if you want hundred round clips, and short rifles, join the god damned military. They will give you one, and you can even fire it fully auto. Just keep them and their cousins off of my streets. I don't live in afganistan.

I've discerned your stance from multiple threads on the subject, Blue Doggy. You're on record saying that you think pretty guns should be fine, but those scary black ones, take those away.

I've served in the military, old man, so spare me your lecture. You claim to know the reason every single AR15 (for example) owner has for owning such a weapon? That is arrogance in its most raw form. I, for one, never popped wood when I fired my M16, or a M249, M240, M2, or Mk 19. Just because you are scared by a semi-automatic, black, AR-15, doesn't mean the rest of us need be. Nor should your fear dictate what we can and cannot own.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I have NEVER been in support of taking our guns away. I have been in favor of limiting some of these war rifles with 100 round drums and such. Because it is a sensible thing to do. As america becomes sicker and sicker, I don't want to have to match these guys fire power, by having to have a gun with a hundred round drum. I remember reading about the era that the gov't banned fully auto weapons, because the mobs were using them to spray the streets in their gang warfare back then, killing innocent people. This is no different, except for the rate of fire. The capacity to load on sunday and shoot all week is what bothers me. What good is my 15 shot clip pistol against a hundred round drum? It is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. So, for public safety we can at least limit these damn things. I see nothing wrong with that, in fact, it is the sensible, intelligent thing to do.

But I thought you could shoot straight and weren't afraid of bulletproof vests or police? What the fuck do you think they will be carrying, pop guns? No they'll be carrying fully automatic M-4s. If guns are to protect you from the government then you need full auto and no mag restrictions.
Besides you've got 15 shots to shoot whatever you're aiming at in the face. So what if he's got 100 rounds in that drum? Pick your moment, pop up and put one in his skull. Besides, gang members already have and employ automatic weapons, just like the mob did. Uzi's, tech-9's, mac-10s, AK-47's etc. Have you never heard of a fucking driveby? Criminals already have these weapons and will get them regardless (case in point there was a mass shooting a few weeks ago in the UK where guns are illegal even for most police), the only person you disarm with your laws is yourself. Quit being so scared that you allow yourself to do something retarded, like the girl in the horror movie hiding from the slasher in the closet who just can't seem to stop herself from whimpering in fear. Man up dude