Thread: The CIA

ahoy all,

more on the CIA;

The following document is an instructional guide on assassination found among the CIA's training files for "Operation PB Success" -- the agency's covert 1954 operation that overthrew the democratically elected government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in June 1954. The CIA released it to the public on May 23, 1997, in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

Assassination is an extreme measure not normally used in clandestine operations.

It should be assumed that it will never be ordered or authorized by any U.S. Headquarters, though the latter may in rare instances agree to its execution by members of an associated foreign service. This reticence is partly due to the necessity for committing communications to paper.

No assassination instructions should ever be written or recorded. Consequently, the decision to employ this technique must nearly always be reached in the field, at the area where the act will take place. Decision and instructions should be confined to an absolute minimum of persons. Ideally, only one person will be involved. No report may be made, but usually the act will be properly covered by normal news services, whose output is available to all concerned.

CIA Study of Assassination

if decisions are made in the field, with such a limited amount 'o persons involved, who precisely is makin' the decision to slay other folks?

does any 'o this, on some level, not sit well with ye mateys? we're all culpable, since we're payin' fer the CIA to exist via our taxdollars and such, aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Here's your source...

Sam Sloan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Must all be true...

aye, a last bit;

It was one of the biggest secrets of the post-9/11 era: soon after the attacks, President Bush gave the CIA permission to create a top secret assassination unit to find and kill Al Qaeda operatives.

The program was kept from Congress for seven years. And when Leon Panetta told legislators about it in 2009, he revealed that the CIA had hired the private security firm Blackwater to help run it. "The move was historic," says Evan Wright, the two-time National Magazine Award-winning journalist who wrote Generation Kill. "It seems to have marked the first time the U.S. government outsourced a covert assassination service to private enterprise."

The quote is from his e-book How to Get Away With Murder in America, which goes on to note that "in the past, the CIA was subject to oversight, however tenuous, from the president and Congress," but that "President Bush's 2001 executive order severed this line by transferring to the CIA his unique authority to approve assassinations.

The Terrifying Background of the Man Who Ran a CIA Assassination Unit - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic

see, when i think 'o the CIA, i have thoughts 'o well educated men and women who are doin' vaguely illegal things in violation 'o the Constitution and the broadly accepted tenets 'o international law - but they're doin' it in me best interest and 'tis too complicated and unsavory to dwell upon it (and imma bein' encouraged to not think 'bout it, since 'tis covert activity), so i don't, 'cept fer now and then.

now is one 'o them times, though.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by tsquare

Here's your source...

Sam Sloan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Must all be true...

ahoy Tsquare,

must be deeply satisfyin' to say that, afterall, all yer own sources that ye copy and paste onto our forums have been completely discredited.

what does Dick Morris have to say 'bout this?

how 'bout that hack/Romney mouthpiece, Jennifer Rubin?

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy all,

i was readin' today 'bout Nick Deak, a powerful figure on Wall Street from the eighties who was murdered. who was Mr. Deak, ye asks, aye?

James Bond and the killer bag lady - Salon.com

the article goes on to talk 'bout "Operation Condor", which basically an effort to track, capture, torture and assassinate folks suspected 'o communism in South America. the mission was partly funded and coordinated by the CIA and resulted in somewhar between 30,000 and 400,000 who were either slain or simply vanished.

'tis interestin'...the US government, via the Central Intelligence Agency, was very deeply involved in money launderin' and doin' business with various drug cartels to fund our "good works". they even sanctioned a hit in the United States;

.Shades of Operation Condor by Jacob G. Hornberger

i found this all very curious, mateys.

on one hand, i want our nation to be seen as a just and honest broker 'o the enormous power we wield...on the other hand, i understand that grim things have to be done fer us to remain perched atop the pile 'o nations that sail the same waters we do, and i'd generally prefer to have plausible deniability and kinda look the other way.

we all care 'bout the rule 'o law (at least i think we do, aye?) and we all seem to be wary 'o "big government". how do ye all see the CIA?

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Je pense it is time for the US to remove its collective head from the sand. Political assassination is a needed means to eliminate destructive elements in and out of the home country. Without that practice we would probably be calling each other in France and in the US Comrade, and a properly selected and executed assassination could save thousands of lives.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Tsquare,

must be deeply satisfyin' to say that, afterall, all yer own sources that ye copy and paste onto our forums have been completely discredited.

what does Dick Morris have to say 'bout this?

how 'bout that hack/Romney mouthpiece, Jennifer Rubin?

- MeadHallPirate

And lacking any further point of discussion, you wish to make this thread about me.

How nice.

CIA is an outgrowth of the national security state - formally implemented by Prexy Truman. & an outgrowth of the OSS. CIA probably should have remained an analysis & reporting unit to the Executive branch, but our Prexies came to love having covert field ops capability, & that's what the field units of CIA have traded on. From the overthrow (with the Brit cousins) of PM Mossadegh in Iran (a v. serious mistake, in retrospect - think how much better that country, that part of the World, our energy & foreign policy would have done with a firmly established republic in Iran), recruiting & abandoning the Kurds various times now, the Hmong in Vietnam & on & on.

With the odd ins & outs of US foreign policy & domestic politics, CIA often is in the ludicrous position of having to hide activities from Congress, the US public, World opinion - because they have to dirty their hands with wetwork & related. Of course, this makes legislative oversight - the base of our form of government - difficult, if not impossible. See Secrecy - the American experience - Daniel P. Moynihan, Yale U. Press, New Haven, c 1998. 227pp, photos & repros, index, notes. Excellent on the culture of secrecy, problems of secrecy - collapse of USSR, Bay of Pigs, McCarthyism, Vietnam, Pentagon Papers, Plumbers, Watergate.

There are lots of other books, articles, etc. addressing the problems. This is an excellent primer.

Originally Posted by hoosier88

CIA is an outgrowth of the national security state - formally implemented by Prexy Truman. & an outgrowth of the OSS. CIA probably should have remained an analysis & reporting unit to the Executive branch, but our Prexies came to love having covert field ops capability, & that's what the field units of CIA have traded on. From the overthrow (with the Brit cousins) of PM Mossadegh in Iran (a v. serious mistake, in retrospect - think how much better that country, that part of the World, our energy & foreign policy would have done with a firmly established republic in Iran), recruiting & abandoning the Kurds various times now, the Hmong in Vietnam & on & on.

With the odd ins & outs of US foreign policy & domestic politics, CIA often is in the ludicrous position of having to hide activities from Congress, the US public, World opinion - because they have to dirty their hands with wetwork & related. Of course, this makes legislative oversight - the base of our form of government - difficult, if not impossible. See Secrecy - the American experience - Daniel P. Moynihan, Yale U. Press, New Haven, c 1998. 227pp, photos & repros, index, notes. Excellent on the culture of secrecy, problems of secrecy - collapse of USSR, Bay of Pigs, McCarthyism, Vietnam, Pentagon Papers, Plumbers, Watergate.

There are lots of other books, articles, etc. addressing the problems. This is an excellent primer.

A strong intelligence force for getting information and accomplishing surreptitious actions is important to a strong nation and defense. The French National Assembly does not have a good record for keeping secrets and neither does US Congress. Neither legislature group nor public need to know what is secret service doing. Sometimes even French (and American) ne need to know.

Originally Posted by tsquare

And lacking any further point of discussion, you wish to make this thread about me.

How nice.

ahoy Tsquare,

'tis always been about ye, matey. ye had nothin' at all to contribue to the OP, except to point out the author's marital difficulties.

i just find it kinda funny that ye would just go right at attackin' me source, even though i quoted multipe sources. it must be satisfyin' to get that off 'o yer chest, since ye flooded USPO with the bilgewater from yer rightwing MSMs (which is fine, 'cept they all proved to be uniformly and remarkably inept at political analysis) fer the entirety 'o this year.

- MeadHallPirate

Politicians are actors, not professionals in gathering, managing and acting on information.
The CIA having to report to any member of Congress is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Tsquare,

'tis always been about ye, matey. ye had nothin' at all to contribue to the OP, except to point out the author's marital difficulties.

i just find it kinda funny that ye would just go right at attackin' me source, even though i quoted multipe sources. it must be satisfyin' to get that off 'o yer chest, since ye flooded USPO with the bilgewater from yer rightwing MSMs (which is fine, 'cept they all proved to be uniformly and remarkably inept at political analysis) fer the entirety 'o this year.

- MeadHallPirate

Which MSM is right wing? ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS all left wing media.

Originally Posted by Patin

A strong intelligence force for getting information and accomplishing surreptitious actions is important to a strong nation and defense. The French National Assembly does not have a good record for keeping secrets and neither does US Congress. Neither legislature group nor public need to know what is secret service doing. Sometimes even French (and American) ne need to know.

ahoy Patin,

i don't really disagree, matey.

what imma sayin' that in areas that might directly or indirectly concern national security, its okies dokies fer the US Government to act on its own, divorced from congress or legislative o'ersite.

we agree then, aye?

- MeadHallPirate

Secretcy is the beginning of tyranny. It can be no other way, it is reality.

It is our reality. And I don't like it. It seems the CIA and others are rogues, with even the represenatives of the People kept in the dark. That should never be.

It seems we have official policy, on paper, with a lot of policy being secret, transmitted only vocally, never written down. That pisses on the Constitution, and some celebrate it. And that should make us afraid of our own gov't. Which of course, I am. The tyranny is here, but we have something like Soma from an old sci fi novel to keep us placated. When you then divide americans as has been done with the rise of right wing media, you can get away with murder because the two groups are too busy fighting one another. Divide and conquer and feed em Soma. Works really well. Leads to a proliferation of idiots.