Thread: "Obama isn't going to pursue gun control in his second term"

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CYDdharta,

the tea leaves imma readin' are the ones scattered behind'm in the wake 'o his first term, CYD. we no longer have to guess how the POTUS handles legislation, nor do we need to hypothesize 'bout his approach.

the leaner, meaner, free-of-reelection challenges version 'o Obama emerged and promptly codified somethin' like 99% 'o Bush tax policy into law.

as to the reason i think Mr. Obama is a liar? it could be that the 2000 threads that Tsquare wrote on the topic are finally havin' some kind 'o deleterious effects on me thinkin' processes.

'tis hard to say.

- MeadHallPirate

Right; and as a candidate during the 2012 election, Obama said he was only going to raise the tax rate on the wealthiest 2% of Americans, so he pretty much says what he means. I guess we can take him at face value when he says he's going to do as much as he can to get his gun and magazine bans to be the law of the land.

Alabama putting it's foot down.

Bill Proposed To Keep Federal Hands Off Alabama-Produced Firearms – Tenth Amendment Center Blog

I believe one other State has done this but I do not remember which one.

Until the weapon travels over State lines it is NOT subject to Federal control.

Deal with it!

Originally Posted by Wlessard

Alabama putting it's foot down.

Bill Proposed To Keep Federal Hands Off Alabama-Produced Firearms – Tenth Amendment Center Blog

I believe one other State has done this but I do not remember which one.

Until the weapon travels over State lines it is NOT subject to Federal control.

Deal with it!

Georgia is considering it, probably to protect Glock and all their high capacity handguns.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Right; and as a candidate during the 2012 election, Obama said he was only going to raise the tax rate on the wealthiest 2% of Americans, so he pretty much says what he means. I guess we can take him at face value when he says he's going to do as much as he can to get his gun and magazine bans to be the law of the land.

ahoy CYDdharta,

Please stay on topic, matey.

we're not talkin' 'bout Mr. Obama on taxes, nor are we talkin' 'bout Paul Ryan, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell raisin' taxes on folks who make more than $400,000 per year.

we're discussin' whether Mr. Obama, the most pro-gun POTUS we've had in many years, will stay the course in his second term, or cave to the hysterical masses who've overreacted to a slaughter 'o boys and girls in a Connecticut school.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CYDdharta,

Please stay on topic, matey.

we're not talkin' 'bout Mr. Obama, nor are we talkin' 'bout Paul Ryan, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell raisin' taxes on folks who make more than $400,000 per year.

we're discussin' whether Mr. Obama, the most pro-gun POTUS we've had in many years, will stay the course in his second term, or cave to the hysterical masses who've overreacted to a slaughter 'o boys and girls in a Connecticut school.

- MeadHallPirate

I thought the discussion was about Mr. Obama, thus the title of the thread. We are also talking about whether he is pursuing gun control during his final term, which he seems to be doing. Of course, like his first term, he is unlikely to be able to achieve his goals because the majority of the people in the country do not support what he wants

But I guess we aren't all that concerned about the slaughter of children every night in the city of Chicago, the City with the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

I thought the discussion was about Mr. Obama, thus the title of the thread. We are also talking about whether he is pursuing gun control during his final term, which he seems to be doing. Of course, like his first term, he is unlikely to be able to achieve his goals because the majority of the people in the country do not support what he wants

But I guess we aren't all that concerned about the slaughter of children every night in the city of Chicago, the City with the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

ahoy OldmanDan,

it is about Mr. Obama matey, but its not about how Mr. Boehner, Mr. Ryan and Mr. McConnell conspired with him to allow the GOP plan, hatched in 2001-2003, to allow fer the temporary Bush tax cuts to lapse fer folks who make $400,000 per year and more.

i was clarifyin' that fer the mighty CYD.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CYDdharta,

Please stay on topic, matey.

we're not talkin' 'bout Mr. Obama on taxes, nor are we talkin' 'bout Paul Ryan, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell raisin' taxes on folks who make more than $400,000 per year.

we're discussin' whether Mr. Obama, the most pro-gun POTUS we've had in many years, will stay the course in his second term, or cave to the hysterical masses who've overreacted to a slaughter 'o boys and girls in a Connecticut school.

- MeadHallPirate

We were talking about president Obama, one of the most anti-gun presidents in recent history, and his efforts to keep his campaign promises, like raising taxes on the rich and pushing for a gun and magazine ban.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

We were talking about president Obama, one of the most anti-gun presidents in recent history, and his efforts to keep his campaign promises, like raising taxes on the rich and pushing for a gun and magazine ban.

ahoy CYDdharta,

i don't want to raise yer ire, matey, and i feel we just to agree to disagree.

me final offerin' here be this; President Obama has been the most pro-gun POTUS in me lifetime and is bein' bullied into action on gun control by the hysterical masses, obviously o'erwrought o'er a buncha dead children in Connecticut.

i believe, in me heart 'o hearts, that he's probably frustrated by the inconvenient massacre 'o them children, fer its muddyin' the waters on his own legislative agenda, and worse yet (fer a 2nd term POTUS), its forcin' him to spend precious and diminishin' political capital o'er an issue he doesn't care one bit about.

as evidence 'o his indifference, i only have to refer to his entire first term, and the numerous "opportunities" he had to force action on the issue (the shootin' Mrs. Giffords and the multiple slayings in Aurora), yet he took no action whatsoever.

"one of the most anti gun presidents in recent history", ye say, aye.

Washington, DC - Ignoring a campaign promise to "repeal the Tiahrt Amendment," the Obama Administration yesterday maintained, in its proposed budget for FY 2011, the Bush-era language that requires the destruction of most Brady background check records, bans the government from requiring gun dealers to fully account for firearms in their possession, and prohibits public access to crucial information about crime guns.

The Brady Center highlighted President Obama's failed leadership on guns in its recent report card giving the President an “F” on preventing gun violence in his first year.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

good lord, lol.

be well, matey. im off!

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CYDdharta,

i don't want to raise yer ire, matey, and i feel we just to agree to disagree.

me final offerin' here be this; President Obama has been the most pro-gun POTUS in me lifetime and is bein' bullied into action on gun control by the hysterical masses, obviously o'erwrought o'er a buncha dead children in Connecticut.

i believe, in me heart 'o hearts, that he's probably frustrated by the inconvenient massacre 'o them children, fer its muddyin' the waters on his own legislative agenda, and worse yet (fer a 2nd term POTUS), its forcin' him to spend precious and diminishin' political capital o'er an issue he doesn't care one bit about.

as evidence 'o his indifference, i only have to refer to his entire first term, and the numerous "opportunities" he had to force action on the issue (the shootin' Mrs. Giffords and the multiple slayings in Aurora), yet he took no action whatsoever.

"one of the most anti gun presidents in recent history", ye say, aye.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

good lord, lol.

be well, matey. im off!

- MeadHallPirate

Yup, one of the most anti-gun presidents in recent history; you’re mistaking political savviness with indifference. While Obama wanted to pursue gun control legislation, gun bans, magazine bans, etc. during his first term, he didn’t want to lose support for his reelection. As I’ve been saying for quite some time now, if he won reelection he’d try to pass his gun and magazine bans in his second term, and here we are. He didn’t even wait for his inauguration to push his gun control agenda.

So what's the Brady campaign saying about Obama now that he no longer has to concern himself with reelection;

The Brady Campaign stands with the President and Vice President in supporting these comprehensive policy recommendations to address gun violence. The White House has shown tremendous leadership in convening stakeholders and engaging the country in a conversation that the Brady Campaign and so many Americans have been calling for in the wake of Aurora, Newtown, and the 32 gun murders that happen every day in our country. We, at the Brady Campaign, are proud to have had the opportunity to share a comprehensive set of policy solutions with the White House Task Force and we are pleased to see our ideas reflected in the final recommendations. We will work with the Administration over the coming days to give voice to the American public who so strongly support common sense legislative policies that can immediately prevent gun violence, such as universal background checks.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy O'Sullivan Bere,

*sigh*

aye, thats how its goin' to play out, i reckon.

i remember bein' up at a ridiculous hour on the weekend, i think it was the Chris Hayes show, whar an analyst said (this was regardin' the upcomin' debt ceilin' debate) that both parties had to push fer somethin' absurd, to placate thar base...and it was somehow important to maintain this posture up to the 11th hour, to show how darn serious they be...

...and then they would compromise.

it seems kind 'o goofy. i could never run me business that way.

aye.

- MeadHallPirate

ps - i hafta add that i think on healthcare and the recent tax policy approvals, the POTUS started his positions in the middle, and then moved to the right to find "compromise" - ever a conservative (i know ye may disagree with me on this point, aye).

Ahoy, my Pirate friend!

It's worse than goofy, but you actually could run your business that way - if you only had one other competitor, and your clients hated him even more than you.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy oh fearsome blue Smurf!

thats the thing thats always confused me in the runup to them elections last fall, matey.

on one hand, ye had the skipper who, say what ye will, was more or less inactive after the Giffords shootin' and the Aurora slaughter - and basically did nothin' but broaden gun rights durin' his first term. yet he got killed on both the NRA and its adherents here on USPO, absolutely villified fer his treachery fer doin'....errrrm....well, nothing that i can think of.

things seem to be goin' rather well in gunland, aye?

Gun-buying surge appears unparalleled nationwide | StarTribune.com

meanwhile, ye had Mr. Romney who not only quadrupled fees on gun owners in his state (if broad based tax policy be social engineerin', then targetin' specific interest groups fer heavier fees has to be social fascism, i'd reckon, aye?), but also had this to say 'bout the assault weapons ban he signed in the state whar he served as Governor;

CNN Parrots National Rifle Association Falsehoods On Assault Weapons | Blog | Media Matters for America

all this, and yet not word, not one post, not one thread from the right wingers on USPO regardin' any 'o this, just a non-stop bashfest 'o the best friend the gun industry has had in years durin' the first term 'o Mr. Obama.

its goofyness, me hearty. partisan ridiculousness.

- MeadHallPirate

Ahoy, my Pirate friend!

Aye.

I can't ever vote democrat, because, generally speaking, they are the party of gun control. But, I can't bring myself to vote for a weaseling anti-gun Republican, either. In fact, I could never vote for a RINO like Romney, because in the end, that is even worse for my freedom.

Better to have the opponent oppose you as expected, then to have the supposed ally unexpectedly betray you.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Yup, one of the most anti-gun presidents in recent history; you’re mistaking political savviness with indifference. While Obama wanted to pursue gun control legislation, gun bans, magazine bans, etc. during his first term, he didn’t want to lose support for his reelection. As I’ve been saying for quite some time now, if he won reelection he’d try to pass his gun and magazine bans in his second term, and here we are. He didn’t even wait for his inauguration to push his gun control agenda.

So what's the Brady campaign saying about Obama now that he no longer has to concern himself with reelection;


Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

ahoy CYDdharta,

so...yer sayin' that Mr. Obama was plannin' all along to unleash his real, pro-liberal legislation in his second term? i mean, yer analysis is that he didn't want to endanger his re-election chances, aye?

if thats the case, why did he basically crucify his own party with the GOP inspired Affordable Care Act?

*ponders*

no matey, imma not buyin' it.

Mr. Obama ran his entire first term as a pro-gun president which be why NRA members like meself had no problem with'm.

so far, i still see him a conservative on the issue, and god willin', we won't have another slaughter 'o innocent young children in the near future. if that happens, all this will die down and go away.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CYDdharta,

so...yer sayin' that Mr. Obama was plannin' all along to unleash his real, pro-liberal legislation in his second term? i mean, yer analysis is that he didn't want to endanger his re-election chances, aye?

if thats the case, why did he basically crucify his own party with the GOP inspired Affordable Care Act?

*ponders*

no matey, imma not buyin' it.

Mr. Obama ran his entire first term as a pro-gun president which be why NRA members like meself had no problem with'm.

so far, i still see him a conservative on the issue, and god willin', we won't have another slaughter 'o innocent young children in the near future. if that happens, all this will die down and go away.

- MeadHallPirate

I believe most politicians wish this would die down and go away. There are a number of Democrats who see it as a winner issue for them since they already have an F rating from the NRA. I do think Obama is responding to the pressure from some in his base because he only has power as a lame duck President if he can keep support of many who voted for him. None of that makes him a Conservative on gun issues, it just makes him pragmatic.