If we had the government do everything in its power to prevent death, everybody would be a paramedic/firefighter, unhealthy foods would be banned, etc... If the kid can't afford his surgery, why should anyone be forced to pay for it?Well, if you're worried about satisfying the most people, and if that's the measure of how good a law is, then the right thing to do would be to go the free market way and allow anyone who wants to donate to the kid's cause. Otherwise, the kid dies. No use pissing off millions for the good of one.Like I said, political bullshit that has little to nothing to do with protecting kids.There will be some, but many will be pushed out of business. Don't pretend to be obtuse.And if they think the safety net is worthless to them because they want to take a risk and possibly enjoy life?So if someone went to your house with a gun to take your money, and offered you health care for no additional cost (whether you need it or not), you wouldn't consider it a robbery?That's not the allowance for competition, it's being forced to work for them or be forced out of business. Kind of like if Microsoft went to Apple and told them to work for them or close shop altogether.That would be like forcing Toyota to only make extremely expensive, custom-made cars and to only take custom orders. Whereas all of their other vehicles would be made by the government.

Luckily we dont. People should be forced to pay for him because he's in need.


Thats too much of a risk. Pissing off millions for the good of one is worth it. Especially if its more than one. Moreover theyre not pissed off.


Not BS, it does protect kids.

No they wont. Thats a fantasy. Theres simply too much demand for that.


People want to not wear seatbelts, doesnt mean we just let them.




No, cos its the government, voted for by the people.


Its a change in the market structure. Competition still exists, just in different areas.


Cool. Toyota would still make cars for everyone that wanted their custom made cars, and everyone else still gets a car. Everybodys happy.

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But there are plenty of people in need. Take future mothers who want to abort. Should we force them to give birth? Or if they still don't want to do it, should we force someone else to carry the fetus?

What if some sluts give birth to dumbasses? Should we support them, thus encouraging more breeding, until we run out of resources?Good, then we don't need to force them to give the money, since they will happily do so voluntarily.So everyone under 17 (in some states) is a total dumbass, but everyone a day older is totally smart and capable of making sexual choices?So, let's say we have 10 health care providers giving health care to 100 people (10 per provider). Now, the government comes in and offers "free" (at no addit. cost) care to all, with 60 people accepting. You think the 10 provides can get by serving 40 people (4 each)?

Health care providers enter the business because there is a demand for health care. If the government takes people's money so they don't have any to spend on the private health providers and offers them care at no additional cost, many will switch to government care. This causes the demand to drop for the private sector. How can the private sector health care remain at the same size when there is far less demand for their services?

It can't. The fantasy is being pushed by you.Right, the next step to socialism is forced lifestyle changes. No fatty foods, wear your seatbelt, and other "for your own good" crap. Before you know it, we're slaves living for our government's will, and not the other way around. Hail socialism! No, it's voted for by the MAJORITY of the people. 49% are still likely to hate it.You can call it whatever you want to make it more sightly. What would happen is the government would bust in with machineguns and give you a "die in poverty" or "work for us on our terms" choice.Yes, Toyota would still make cars. However, since the vast majority of people are not super rich, they would not be able to buy custom cars (as custom cars are inherently more expensive because you can't mass produce them). This means MUCH fewer orders. That means the profit margin won't help them too much since they don't sell many cars. Less money and less orders means forced shrinking. So, they'd fire 95% of their workforce. Everybody's happy, except for those who liked the cheaper Toyotas, who don't like to pay for shitty government cars that they won't get, anyway, and for those who worked for Toyota.

Could you delineate these costs? You're so positive of this you no doubt have them at your fingertips

I was talking about this girl who died while waiting for a liver transplant recently which her HMO refused to pay for because they said it was 'experimental' tho it has been done routinely for years. It had nothing to do with her age.

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One major cost is that of medical school. If medical school were not required (legally), there would be cheaper alternatives to people who cannot afford med school doctors.Link?

You've not explained anything, you just made more assertions. Perhaps you should take a class on reading and comprehension.

Again, you've not answered the quesiton and I'm not going to engage in a pissing contest with you. If this is beyond your abilities, then it looks better for you to just say so.

So, what about a federal research hospital in every state and DC. Congress could implement a state of the art research hospital, and set the Standard of weights and measures concerning such public sector endeavors. We can even include a post office.

If their life is threatened by not giving birth then yes of course. This teenagers life is at stake. Theres a big difference between life paths/ choices and having life at all, you know this and agree with this.

Since its not for us to judge whos a dumbass then yes. If youre talking of disbled then that choice to abort is often encouraged already.

Stretching out tangetial examples does your point no good.


Giving voluntarily implies an effort in actually making the payment. Taking it directly in taxation on which they vote is much more efficient and thus it works very well.

Gotta draw a line somewhere.

Most of the 10 work for the government, providing their services just as they did. The rest focus on private payers.

You seem to forget that even with government provision, it doesnt mean less services provided, it means more, since more people are going to be provided for - and providers are needed to do that.

When the UKs NHS was started no doctors went out of work, in fact far more were needed to provide for the latent demand.



Whine whine whine. Dont wear a seatbelt then, see how you get on.



49% ? or 25% ? or 100% ? or 70 ?

In the end a majority is sufficient.


No they wouldnt. Thats a lie.

Toyota would make far higher margins on the expensive cars, thus keeping well in profit.

Everyone else is happily driving around ni cars, which is better than walking.

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why the hell would you include a post office in a state of the art research hospital? thats retarded. you could put patients in there. beds. labs. phramacies. broom closets. something that applies to the medical field.

Post roads, post canals, and post research-hospitals (i.e. post infrastructure) could be considered as provisions of the general welfare, as enumerated in our Constitution.

putting a post office in a research hospital is the fevered dream of a madman. thats just retarded

Sounds quite efficient to me.

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Well, yes, the difference between aborting and not aborting is life or no life. But wait, you're saying you would support a female family member of your's being taken by force and implanted with the fetus?So you think it's good policy to encourage humanity to be burned out due to resource over-expenditure vs. not encouraging such acts? You realize that resource loss causes all to suffer, right?So you'd be happy if they added a "voluntary tax for the poor" on the bottom of the 1040 and went no further than that? After all, people are apparently happy to give, just not to go out of their way to do it, right? You didn't answer the question.No, they don't work as they did, because they would no longer have control of their business.So you have no issue with slavery? Or is this another non-answer posted in hopes of ignoring the horrible reality of your policies?It's legally sufficient to select a new leader in a democracy (or rather, a republic), but the remainder of the people will be robbed. Are you finally going to admit that, or do you think the rest of them should be happy with the actions just because some stranger supports it?They do so with drugs. If you make those illegally, I think that's pretty much what will happen to you. You will either have to work as a cop or chemical engineer and be allowed to handle drugs, or you'll have to stop working with them at all. Anything else will result in severe punishment (with the bonus of getting arrested).So Toyota right now is intentionally avoiding profits by creating cheaper cars? All they need is for the government to put them on a leash, and then everything will be great since the government knows better how to run Toyota as far as Toyota profits are concerned?

how do you figure that? we already have post offices. if you want to build a swanky new hospital with lots of fancy toys, by all means go ahead, it sounds like a good idea. however to take up bed space in said swanky hospital with a flipping postoffice (that has to sort a shit tonne of mail) is retarded.

Hospitals, being big, well appointed close to motorways and in central locations would make excellent distribution centres for post office delivery.

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