or he will burn the place down The quote was: "give him a fish....... with the match, he'ld have Bar b que.

I fully agree. For the middle class to become a major player, stronger unions are a must.

How about this......

The socialists of this nation can go full steam ahead with their shitty ass socialized heath-care BUT they [government] will have to pay for those who want privatized heath-care, no questions asked!

Thats the only fair way to do it.

Making people pay for others health-care and then making them pay out of pocket for their own health-care ISN'T RIGHT.

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Without medicare, I could not afford health care. What needs to be done is to reduce the cost of medicare and at the same time make it a public option for everybody.

You're correct, however for the 3,429,876th time ... thats what happens right now under the status quo. So by opposing healthcare insurance change, you're supporting the reality that you're already paying for other people's healthcare with your money.

And for the 3,429,876th time as well, that is ONLY true if someone is opposing ANY and ALL healthcare insurance changes, rather than opposing BAD ones while supporting alternative ones (which the Republican DO). Everytime Obama puts forward the notion that those opposed to what he supports are in favor of doing nothing, he is LYING.

Also, only a fool would assume that nothing could be worse than the status quo. NEVER underestimate the ability of the government to make matters worse (in fact government interference is largely the cause of much of the "problem" to begin with).

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Republicans are unbelievable at making Americans vote against their own interests. The lack of a public option and single payer system was a contributing factor in America's near depression last year. Its hindering your growth as a country.

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Danny, I know you don't want to consider this , but rushing a massive bill through that will spend at least $1,000,000,000,000 (much of it borrowed) isn't in our interests.

As an aside, single payer - which you claim is the solution - isn't even considered in the bill. Why are you so keen to push for a trillion in spending for a plan you claim isn't the proper solution?

Matt

Perhaps it is in the long term.

But a major part of the enormous cost of health care is the threat of out-of-control lawsuits that can destroy a job or a career and are pushing medical personnel out of their professions.

The Democrats would never, under any circumstances, take on TORT reform. This would mean offending a powerful and wealthy lobby. Meanwhile we pay a fortune while they line their pockets.

Do you take offense at that as well? I hope so.

I would like to see a public option. But the Democrats have chosen the worst imaginable time. Would Canada have introduced a national health scheme at the bottom of a deep recession with huge deficits?

Most national health plans were created and impemented during the post-war boom of 1948-73. Would they happen now?

Its astounding how the people who make the most demands for shit are always the people who cant pay for it.

Its even worse that people actually tolerate it.

Furthermore I don't think those who are for this socialized health-care actually realize how toxic it actually is from the financial aspect.

This is going to end up costing us 3x more then what Obama claims all because liberals are incapable of saying NO to anything that gives people "more."

I have no idea why this health-care idea is even being entertained.

This is what happens when you turn the reigns over to people who cant even balance a check book.

Financially this is absolutely horrible idea and makes ZERO sense. But hey people will get "free" health-care.

Nothing is "free."

This program could quite possibly bankrupt this country if it gets out of hand.

Soviets went to war in Afghanistan and it bankrupted them, this heath-care bullshit could quite possibly do the same to America.

Of course before any of that happens the government would steal ALL the money from the private sector and then sink it into the government to keep it afloat..

WHY?

So lazy fucks who refuse to work or refuse to succeed in life get free health-care.

All of this RISK for lazy fucks...

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Why?

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Better yet they can start their own country and do whatever they want.

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson

I'm all for dividing the US up.

The only problem is the socialists will go broke in a matter of years and will have their hands out begging the successful capitalists for money.

The end result will be the same... A bunch of lazy failures to society demanding they have the same shit the successful have.

I'm telling you man you have to work to get the things you want because nothing is free. Socialism and Communism can fail when people don't work and create wealth.

The USSR failed because they spent more wealth then they could create.

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It's probably worth pointing out that the government funding something means that it is socialized.

Your post here is like saying:

Tell you what, let people have their welfare, but the government also has to pay the salary of everyone who has a job!

Take that socialists! And, you'd better watch yourselves or I'll really stick it to you by abolishing private property!

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Its an option..

This time the government gets fucked not the hard working folks!

I want privatized heath-care and the government can FOOT THE BILL.

I'm all for fucking this government over... "They have it coming to them like a bitch that hasn't been fucked in years."

I had to go with the Tony Montana quote.

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