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    Public Option

    With the insurance lobby predicting extremely high health costs, the public option is a must.

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    Re: Public Option

    So you think that China will be willing to pay your inceaased premiums forever ?
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    What do you propose to ensure that the average American can afford health care?

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    What do you propose to ensure that the average American can afford health care?
    The "average American" already can and does have affordable health care, that they are quite satisfied with. I suspect what you really intended to ask is how would we ensure that EVERY American can have "affordable" health care. And that begs the question, affordable for WHO, them, or the society as a whole?
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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    What do you propose to ensure that the average American can afford health care?
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    Since the root of the issue is healthcare COSTS, wouldn't it seem to make more sense to focus on getting COSTS under control??


    (and THEN address the topic of expanding coverage....??)



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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    With the insurance lobby predicting extremely high health costs, the public option is a must.
    Why do people think that the only way to lower health care costs is to get a "public option"? They seem to imply that it's either a "public option" or health care costs go up and there is no other choice. It looks like a big false alternative fallacy to me.
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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    What do you propose to ensure that the average American can afford health care?

    what have you proposed that would do as much ?

    You dont think the "public" option (actually government) would be magically cheaper do you ?
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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    Since the root of the issue is healthcare COSTS, wouldn't it seem to make more sense to focus on getting COSTS under control??


    (and THEN address the topic of expanding coverage....??)



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    one would thnk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    Since the root of the issue is healthcare COSTS, wouldn't it seem to make more sense to focus on getting COSTS under control??


    (and THEN address the topic of expanding coverage....??)
    That's why this whole thing is a fiasco. Health insurance has nothing to do with costs since health insurance companies don't charge one dime for healthcare.

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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    With the insurance lobby predicting extremely high health costs, the public option is a must.
    I think you missed the part about high costs being caused BY a public option.

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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by Commodore View Post
    I think you missed the part about high costs being caused BY a public option.


    higher costs come from new mandates mainly. every policy still has to pay for them. somehow. only difference is tat government can make the taxpayers do it (though prezbo said he would not sign that). and my taxpayers I mean China.
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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    With the insurance lobby predicting extremely high health costs, the public option is a must.
    They are predicting extremely high health care costs because of the Baucus Bill going through the Senate right now. If it is passes, that is what will cause the high costs.

    Frankly, I think this is by design, so that in ten years people will be screaming for publicly funded health care after the government has made it too expensive for anyone to afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth View Post
    They are predicting extremely high health care costs because of the Baucus Bill going through the Senate right now. If it is passes, that is what will cause the high costs.

    Frankly, I think this is by design, so that in ten years people will be screaming for publicly funded health care after the government has made it too expensive for anyone to afford.

    trouble is, they cant afford it either.

    and when rationng can no longer be used to keep costs down, they just start droppig things altogether. And the death panels form and... you're heard al lthis before.
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    Re: Public Option

    Quote Originally Posted by gpkantor View Post
    With the insurance lobby predicting extremely high health costs, the public option is a must.
    How will a public option lower health care costs?
    There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary: Those that do, and those that do not.

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    How will a public option lower health care costs?
    It won't. If it would, the democrats would have no problem getting it passed. Only in Washington can something that will add trillions of dollars to the projected Federal budget, with the only supposed deficit reduction coming entirely from increased taxes can it be called "savings"
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