Thread: Why the Health-Care Bills Are Unconstitutional

Originally Posted by jet57

Show me where it doesn't...

That's not the way it works. I sometimes think that the core of this issue, for a lot of people, rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the constitution in the first place.

... if the Republicans had been interested in anything remotely connected to "health and welfare" rather than outirght obstructionism, it's not very likey that the "must have" mandate would have been inserted in the first place.

This is totally true. The Repubs were even moderate supporters of the mandate until it became clear the Democrats weren't going to let them share in the spoils. Their protests now are asinine relatively, even if I do think they are (finally) making some good arguments.

Excuse me, has the last Christian left America?

I grew-up under the myth that "charity begins at home" America was always proud to help other people in need. Remember the Berlin Air Lift? We didnt have to to that.

My question. Are we 305 million indivualist or a society? Why do you consider it evil to help your fellow man? Why is it wrong to help the poor? I know their lazy and the should help themselves.

What about all those people living in their cars or tents because they lost their jobs. Why do Republicans hate people who are not rich.

Abe Lincon freed the slaves. Was that his business? There was a time that Republicans were human beings i.e. President Eisenhower.

Please go back to your roots and stop seeing children and poor people als rats.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Republicans don't think they're the only ones with a right to healthcare.

They think only people who can afford healthcare have the right to get it.

I wouldnt even say that. Just because you can afford something, doesnt mean someone has to sell it to you. You simply cant be refused because of your race, sex, etc.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

If Obama used an executive order it would be law until the order was stayed or ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme court and this alone would cut the balls off some of those far right pimps in a forth comming election.

Not true. The President cant order anything obvisouly illegal, as this would be. Which is why he wouldnt. The beuracracy simply wouldnt follow it. And then itd be a political mess.

Originally Posted by jet57

embolden mine

Show me where it doesn't: ya'see that's the point. The states and the feds have been regulating industries since the great depression, so they have indeed made it a responsibility, because industry, as we see again in the case of healthcare, will not regulate themselves and act in the best intrest of this country. They never do.

The density remark was the result of your ignorance of the common knowledge of what I just said vs your partisan opinion and that partisan article which doesn't have the power to blow itself to hell. Absolutely unproductive.

I don't think the mandate part will be passed and if the Republicans had been interested in anything remotely connected to "health and welfare" rather than outirght obstructionism, it's not very likey that the "must have" mandate would have been inserted in the first place.

Slavery is only the most glaring example of an "OOOPs!!" that got by the founders: they were up against some pretty heavy influences - not - to include it in the Constitution, and we see now how heavy influences are at work again . . .

Cant prove a negative. If you assert something is in the constitution, prove it. The best I can do is prove those words dont exist in the constitution, which they dont.

Originally Posted by Mick Jagger

Anything not within the scope of the general welfare would be off limits.

And what is the general welfare? We are going in circles here. Obviously you think its whatever congress wants it to mean. We think its what it says in the constitution under the powers of congress. I agree its vague. We should take it out.

Originally Posted by bennyhill

Excuse me, has the last Christian left America?

I grew-up under the myth that "charity begins at home" America was always proud to help other people in need. Remember the Berlin Air Lift? We didnt have to to that.

My question. Are we 305 million indivualist or a society? Why do you consider it evil to help your fellow man? Why is it wrong to help the poor? I know their lazy and the should help themselves.

What about all those people living in their cars or tents because they lost their jobs. Why do Republicans hate people who are not rich.

Abe Lincon freed the slaves. Was that his business? There was a time that Republicans were human beings i.e. President Eisenhower.

Please go back to your roots and stop seeing children and poor people als rats.

Really dude, look up the term 'strawman'. I see no point in debating with you.

Originally Posted by sinebar

It would go to the SCOTUS before the ink dried. How they would rule is anyone's guess to be honest. The Dems are not going to be re-elected this year and so maybe we'll get some sense back in congress.

The point "is" if he gave such an order DEMS would be elected IMO.

Eight years of outright pandering by the repubs to the have and have more base will not be forgotten. The party of NO will fall once again.

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Originally Posted by dblack

That's not the way it works. I sometimes think that the core of this issue, for a lot of people, rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the constitution in the first place.

THe fundimental part is how few read it inthe first place !

Originally Posted by jviehe

Not true. The President cant order anything obvisouly illegal, as this would be. Which is why he wouldnt. The beuracracy simply wouldnt follow it. And then itd be a political mess.

WRONG ! "Illegal" requires interpretation" not an off the cuff evaluation of a common voter !

Originally Posted by skeptic1

The point "is" if he gave such an order DEMS would be elected IMO.

Eight years of outright pandering by the repubs to the have and have more base will not be forgotten. The party of NO will fall once again.

We have the worst ression in US history on the Dems watch. They are about to force the most destructive legislation ever inspite of the majority not wanting it. They have lied and sneaked around doing things behind closed doors. The Dems have showed us what they are really about and there is no way they are going to be re-elected. Obama is going to be a one term pres.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

WRONG ! "Illegal" requires interpretation" not an off the cuff evaluation of a common voter !

WRONG ! The president is not a dictator. He can not write an executive order for anything he wants. Executive Order is not in the constitution and the President only has the powers the constitution gives him, or the powers congress writes into law. An executive order can not create laws.

Originally Posted by jviehe

And what is the general welfare?

Anything involving, applicable to, or affecting the state of doing well - especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity - of the American people.