Keep the above in mind when reading the following.

House Democrats looking at 'Slaughter Solution' to pass Obamacare without a vote on Senate bill

I hope people realize that if such blatantly unconstitutional steps come to pass, We, the people, will have very few options, none of them pleasant. If these tyrrants are willing to do it once, they will do it again.

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no, thats so friggin obviously retarded and underhanded ( thats why pelosi likes it I bet) , and the senate parliamentarian said yesterday the bill, that is the senate bill must be passed, as in voted up or donw, any stings there after are an illusion and carry no weight, you cannot say I approve the bill for signing if tjhe BILL itself has not 'passed' and is then ready for a presidents sig...they are grasping at straws and shows you how desperate they are.

and obama delayed his vacation, sorry trip to Micronesia et al 3 days for his?

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Heh, the Slaughter House is what will happen if this passes, or at least should be. I do not know if anyone cares anymore to be honest. The US has proven itself to be quite lazy and accepting of things lately.

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I thought the slaughter rule would be to not pass anything and watch another 44,000 people die preventable deaths every year.

But as for the rule, if there is a way to do it then they should do it. The filibuster had been abused more than a cheap hooker and has essentially become the rule. So If the Republicans think they can bend the rules in such a fashion then they should expect the Dems to use every loophole they can find right back at them.

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Except for the whole unconstitutional thing.

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January 21, 2013: The End of an ERROR.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

the slaughter plan is unconstitutional and no amount of he hawing will change that. So frankly your remark as to the filibuster means nothing, they are not comparable.

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I don't understand, they still need the same number of votes, don't they, so what does it matter?

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The rule change would conceivably be easier to swallow, though given what it would allow, not by much.

Either Reid, Pelosi, and Obama haven't figured it out yet, or are resigned to being the Kamikaze Kongress, on faith that like other entitlements, their reforms will survive the political cycle, and they or their successors will one day be at the top again.

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January 21, 2013: The End of an ERROR.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

Where's the list of the dead? Surely there would be one. It'd be a great tool to use in passing health care but... no list.

pelosi doesn't have the votes to approve the senate bill , the final bill that if approved by the house would then go to obama for his signature.

She wants changes made but if she changes it then the senate gets another go at it. Amendments, debate, cloture closing debate and a vote, cloture requires 60 votes, not 51.

But she doesn't want them to open the bill again, per se', again because they no longer have 60.

So, she will create a piece of legislation that has all of the changes she wants to the original bill.

Thats what she will have voted on in the house this week, NOT the Senate HC bill.

She will send that legislation to the senate, they will up or down vote on that, 51 needed to pass, in that piece of legislation is a clause that says IF the senate passes this, the house will 'consider' the senate bill passed. BUT there will have been no vote on that bill in the house, no yeas or nays recorded, no chance to vote at all.

She says that then, the senate bill with this attachment will be forwarded to the pres. for signature.

That's not the way it works. Aside from the constitutional rule in post #1 , this also short circuits the senates existence and right to craft the final piece of legislation and precludes any study of changes, possible amendments, or debate any changes the house has created to the final product, which would require they open debate in the senate, then have a cloture vote then send that changed HC bill to the house for approval.THEN it goes to obama. You cannot send a bill to the pres. that has not had a vote recorded for approval.


The Senate parliamentarian has already weighed in, the law precludes the House from passing reconciliation fixes to health-care without first passing the Senate bill. She trying to get around that.....

And NO this has never ever been attempted before, period.

In effect she wants reconciliation before they vote on the bill and her peice of leg. passes, then they don't even vote at all to boot.....in the words of tony from Brooklyn, getdafugouttahere...

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I thought it was 100,000 that die every year. That's what one of your brethren said. It's getting confusing keeping track of your made up numbers.

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If the democrats go so far as to simply say the Senate bill has passed without actually voting on it, then quite frankly we have passed the point where armed rebellion is morally justified. That is not democracy by any rational definition.

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Yet more proof that this bill is the gargantuan piece of crap that it is. If they have to use sleazy tactics like this to pass a bill it's quite clearly not the saving grace they claim it to be. It's another confirmation that the bill is really about the government taking over the health care industry and forcibly exerting more influence over the life of every American. As a matter of fact, it's the way this is being done that is angering Americans more than the bill itself.

I believe what they are attempting is what has been referred to as the "Slaughter Rule." Congressman Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) was on Pete Kaliner's radio program on WBT Charlotte last night and he said if they pass the bill this way he suspects there will be a multitude of legal challenges filed against it. Let's hope so as this is a bastardization of the way our Congress is supposed to operate.

If they pass this bill using the Slaughter Rule the Democrats will be signing their death warrant in November. While that might make some Republicans happy at the prospect of taking back the Congress, it's a losing situation for Americans because unless this legislation is tossed out by the judiciary it's not likely to be repealed. The Pelosi Congress has made a mockery of our representative republic.

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What a way to run a legislature. We're going to pretend we voted on it, so we don't have to go on record voting for it.

WTF?

Matt

I thought we had a thread on this already

anyway, yes but the const. has a very clearly worded statute and this dovetails to matts thread on reconciliation, the bill must be 'passed', first, correctly, votes tabulated etc. then signed INTO law before changes can be made. This isn't an "if/or" decision process, its just more squirming.

Maybe they will threaten to set themselves on fire next if they don't get the votes.

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