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Arrrr, TheLastBoyScout, oh reasonable matey 'o USPO!
you and i would disagree here.
to me, if ye have more than a cot, a roof, transport to work, a phone and a can 'o beans to eat fer supper then the next thing ye must pay fer be health insurance.
by this metric, many, many americans can afford it.
matey, this be why i have trouble muddlin' through this topic.
see, i don't disagree with ye either.
i cut down me drinkin'...i used to enjoy vast quantities 'o vodka and scotch in me conquerin' years.
i've given up the fine herb, and i miss it greatly.
i've started ridin' me ten speed to work, and i don't enjoy it much, but i do it.
i've given up eatin' meats.
i stopped playin' basketball (almost $20,000 in knee surgery, so no more fer me).
i take me vitamins.
i eat alot 'o whole grains, though i don't much enjoy doin' it.
i eat green salads, though i yearn fer a BLT.
i mean, i don't wanna pay fer other folks ruinous ways 'o livin' either...and many pre-existin' conditions (but not all) be bought on by folks own ways 'o livin'.
so i don't know what the answer be. i know in me heart 'o hearts, in what be supposedly the most advanced, most civilized and most enlightened land that ever existed, its barbaric to say, "tough luck, you sorry piece 'o $&%#, you deserve to die!"...on the other hand, if universal health coverage be not mandated, thats essentially what we're sayin'.
*squints at the settin' sun on the horizon and muses*
I understand what you're saying....and I agree that IMO, health insurance is one of the basic necessities. I just don't see the merits of either forcing us to buy insurance or in forcing insurance companies to cover us.
The bottom line is that it should be in my best interests to purchase insurance because I would be liable for the full cost otherwise. But somehow, special consideration must be made for those who are considered un-insurable today.
The costs, not the insurance to pay the costs, are the real issue. And I agree with Obama (of the 2008 campaign):
The problem, though, is that they are not addressing the affordability problem, because insurance companies are just the middle man."A mandate means that in some fashion, everybody will be forced to buy health insurance. ... But I believe the problem is not that folks are trying to avoid getting health care. The problem is they can't afford it. And that's why my plan emphasizes lowering costs."
The world could use more Stan Ovshinsky's
Edit: It would be better for them to say "Make a choice. Do you want freedom, or do you want handouts? Do you want to keep your money and do with it as you see fit. Or do you want us to take it from you and do with it as we see fit?:
Last edited by jviehe; 03-16-2010 at 02:04 PM.
matey, oh veteran 'o USPO...i don't think imma suggestin' slavery. i just want a single payer policy, me good friend. also, i've agreed to an extent with the Stella drinkin' Dr. Who. i really have a problem insurin' folks whose reckless lifestyles had led to these pre-existing conditions.
*offers Jviehe a warm cup of milk*
really mate, yer gettin' overexcited o'er somethin' that is simply factual. yer sayin' that there is nothin' wrong with folks dyin' of natural causes, and imma sayin' that yer conservative representatives should just sell that position to the public.
though i have tried to keep this particular thread free 'o partisan politics, i do find the GOP's position very hard to discern. good lordy mate, ye have GOP leader Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Vice-Chair of the House Republican Conference, sayin' this;
Top House GOPer: Reform Must Block Insurance Companies From Excluding Pre-Existing Conditions | The Plum LineWe don’t believe that anybody should ever be denied because of a pre-existing condition. We support legislation that prevents insurers from denying coverage as well as high risk pools that have been created to insure those who are considered uninsurable or who have chronic conditions.
well...if ye don't mandate everyone to buy health insurance, i don't quite see how any 'o this be doable. do the GOP folk in congress want to crucify the insurance industries and drive'm outta business?
if ye don't mandate that all purchase health insurance, but demand them very companies insure folks with pre-existing conditions, health insurance companies will go bust.
Last edited by MeadHallPirate; 03-16-2010 at 02:27 PM.