Thread: U.S. Faces Shortage of Doctors

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Of course you don't see it. You're one of them. Hell, you had the gall to assume that you know better than those technicians what their career paths should be.

My sister is a radiology tech, she loves her job probably more than anyone else I know. She does the one thing she loves, and doesn't have to bother with anything else.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

The same evidence you show - my own experience.

Want to find a group of catty, lazy, fat women? Find yourself some nurses.

I know more than a few nurses... I can't comment on the laziness part, but they sure as fuck are catty, and they do tend to be fat. And I'll add: they're almost as arogant as doctors.

Originally Posted by Jefe

I know more than a few nurses... I can't comment on the laziness part, but they sure as fuck are catty, and they do tend to be fat. And I'll add: they're almost as arogant as doctors.

Almost?

You must not know OB nurses.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Of course you don't see it. You're one of them. Hell, you had the gall to assume that you know better than those technicians what their career paths should be.

Giving a person an option does not 'assume to know what their career path should be.' In fact, I wouldn't be at the level I am now if I had not worked with a Vanderbilt professor on her summer break who recruited me to the master's program.

Almost everyone I know was in some way recruited into the profession. I know one nurse who worked as a CNA taking care of a rich old man. He told her that all the nurses had that she didn't have was a license. And in his will he provided for her to go to nursing school. What a trememdous , life changing gift.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Giving a person an option does not 'assume to know what their career path should be.' In fact, I wouldn't be at the level I am now if I had not worked with a Vanderbilt professor on her summer break who recruited me to the master's program.

Almost everyone I know was in some way recruited into the profession. I know one nurse who worked as a CNA taking care of a rich old man. He told her that all the nurses had that she didn't have was a license. And in his will he provided for her to go to nursing school. What a trememdous , life changing gift.

What unmitigated gall.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

What unmitigated gall.

Reminds me of my ex-wife. I knew from an early age that I wanted to be an Engineer. So, I went and got an Engineering degree, and became an Engineer. I'm completely happy doing this kind of work, and I earn a decent paycheck doing it. But the ex-wife, she knew better - she just knew that I should continue going to school, so that I could become a Manager. She asked me "Do you want to be an Engineer all your life?" "Um, yeah, I do."

Jefe, how dare you do what makes you happy!

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Jefe, how dare you do what makes you happy!

I know, I know... who the hell am I to think I know what's best for myself! If only I had the ability to take career advice from strangers and co-workers.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

What unmitigated gall.

Yes, God forbid that universities should do recruiting or that anyone should have a chance to improve their lot in life. After all daddy socialism is on the way and he will take care of us all. :rolleyes:

In your liberal downward mobility model we should all just stay put and not work toward bettering ourselves.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Yes, God forbid that universities should do recruiting or that anyone should have a chance to improve their lot in life. After all daddy socialism is on the way and he will take care of us all. :rolleyes:

In your liberal downward mobility model we should all just stay put and not work toward bettering ourselves.

Please. You telling people what their career path should be is not equivalent to university recruiting activities.

The rest of your strawman isn't even worth bothering with.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Please. You telling people what their career path should be is not equivalent to university recruiting activities.

The rest of your strawman isn't even worth bothering with.

Actually it most assuredly is appropriate for any nurse to recruit when we see someone who is capable.

No one tells them what their career path should be. But when you see someone who is clearly capable it certainly is appropriate to let them know that. Most of the nurses I know were recruited. In fact recruiting was a fairly large part of my job when I worked in the college. Each of us had to show documented proof of at least 4 formal recruiting activities. If you want talent you have to go out and find it, particularly in a field that has been seen for so many years a beneath the dignity of women.

And it is still a country where freedom of speech is allowed. Won't be long under YOUR model, though.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Actually it most assuredly is appropriate for any nurse to recruit when we see someone who is capable.

No one tells them what their career path should be. But when you see someone who is clearly capable it certainly is appropriate to let them know that. Most of the nurses I know were recruited. In fact recruiting was a fairly large part of my job when I worked in the college. Each of us had to show documented proof of at least 4 formal recruiting activities. If you want talent you have to go out and find it, particularly in a field that has been seen for so many years a beneath the dignity of women.

And it is still a country where freedom of speech is allowed. Won't be long under YOUR model, though.

Oh, man. Once again.

You being a patient and telling practitioners that they're in the wrong field takes gall. Your working in a college (Harvard, I assume) and having a job requirement for recruitment is something completely different. It's not apples and oranges, it's apples and hubcaps.

And you clearly don't have any idea what my model of anything is, so please spare yourself the embarassment.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Which is wrong of course. But people have a right to lobby. Govt doesnt have to listent and act.

It's true that people can lobby and that government can listen or not. Ultimately I think that you and I would both agree that we would like government to stop listening to lobbyists unless what they want happens to be what is best for the people. I am simply saying that I would like government to stop exerting its force to create scarcity.